Ar-15 Pistol

[AR-MAN88]

hey guys, lately i've been thinking about owning a pistol but i love my AR, i've been looking through "Rock River Arms" catalog and came across some 7 and 10.5 inch A2 and A4 pistol complete upper half. Im real interested in these products and was wondering if i can use my lower receiver and if its even legal in california knowing the SBR regulations?

[FeuerFrei]

You cannot use your rifle lower legally.
Build from an 80% lower.
Buy complete single shot pistol from Cali FFL.
PPT from a legal AR pistol owner or LEO that has one to sell.
Search here... lots of legal how to stuff.

[AR-MAN88]

will do, thank you for the info.

[s0calflip]

I was thinkin about building an AR15 pistol from the parts i found on Rock River Arms. It would be legal if you bought the lower receiver, right? i'm new to ar15 builds and the California laws. if bought the ar15 pistol lower receiver and a upper 10.5 in upper its legal in California, right?

[Infantry H2]

Ensure u have the pistol lower before you buy the shorty upper. Especially if you have a DROSd rifle lower in your possession.

[s0calflip]

DROSd? sorry like i said i'm kinda new to all this, but asking questions to get familiar with everything...

[Shellshocker66]

DROSd? sorry like i said i'm kinda new to all this, but asking questions to get familiar with everything...

Dealers Record of Sale. The form you fill out when you purchase a handgun or long gun from a FFL.

Edit: The above poster mentioned that if you have purchased a lower that has been DROS'd as a long gun (rifle) then possession of a upper less then 16 inches total length would constitute a short barrel rifle, which is a no no. That is why folks purchase 80% lowers and do the milling, purchase one already made by an FFL, or purchased from a private party.

[s0calflip]

if the lower reciever is reg as a pistol then is it legal to build an AR15 pistol? I know RRA has a complete lower reciever that the company reg as a pistol.

[Quiet]

The problem is with CA DOJ.

When a firearm gets transfered by a FFL dealer, a ATF 4473 form gets filled out.
When a firearm gets transfered by a CA FFL dealer, a ATF 4473 form gets filled out and a CA DROS is done.

The ATF 4473 form indicates three types of firearms: "handgun", "long gun" & "other".
The CA DROS indicates two types of firearms: "handgun" & "long gun".

Because of the CA DOJ approved list of handgun sales, AR receivers can not be DROS'd as a "handgun" to a non-exempt person.

Therefore, if you take a AR receiver (even one that is stamped as a pistol reciever) that was DROS'd as a "long gun" and make it into an AR pistol, you run the risk of being prosecuted by CA for making/possessing a Short Barrel Rifle (SBR){state felony}.

if the lower reciever is reg as a pistol then is it legal to build an AR15 pistol? I know RRA has a complete lower reciever that the company reg as a pistol.

You could buy that AR pistol reciever, but unless you are an exempt person, the CA FFL dealer will DROS it as a "long gun". And if you then take that receiver and make it into a AR pistol, CA can go after you for making/possessing a SBR.

The only ways to get an AR reciever and legally make it into an AR pistol in CA is via PPT of one that was previously DROS'd as a "handgun", LEO sales, out-of-state intra-familial gift, as a dimensionally compliant single-shot pistol or build one from a piece of metal (80% lower).

[SocomM4]

Why not just walk into a shop and buy one? Find one with the bare bones necessities , and the barrel length you want. Then pop out the single shot sled and install a bullet button and a 10/30 then accessories as desired.

[s0calflip]

i do appreciate all the advice and suggestions on building this "seem to be impossible" build...

Just a thought, so let me know any opinions or advice:

if i buy an AR15 lower receiver stripped or complete that is registered as a pistol from RRA or Spikes Tactical, have it shipped to an FFL dealer and have the single shot sled and upper receiver and have a bullet button/mag lock to be added to the receiver at time of transfer, wont it be a legal Cali firearm?

suggestions, advice, and constructive criticism is definitely welcome

i

[torquefliteterror]

google ebr works . they have an active thread on here somewhere -where they offer a complete pistol for $750ish and they buy back the unused upper and sled for $365. thats going to be your cheapest and most legal way to own the pistol lower. then you can legally buy or build your upper without having short barrelled rifle -constructive possession charges against you if you were caught owning a short upper without a (pistol)lower in your possession.

[Josh3239]

+1 to Ebr Works. He is really a great guy and he is local to you in Ventura County.

[leman77]

Can LEO buy one of these and shoot 30 round magazines out of it and not have a bullet button since it's a 'handgun'.?

[stix213]

i do appreciate all the advice and suggestions on building this "seem to be impossible" build...

Just a thought, so let me know any opinions or advice:

if i buy an AR15 lower receiver stripped or complete that is registered as a pistol from RRA or Spikes Tactical, have it shipped to an FFL dealer and have the single shot sled and upper receiver and have a bullet button/mag lock to be added to the receiver at time of transfer, wont it be a legal Cali firearm?

suggestions, advice, and constructive criticism is definitely welcome

i

Unless you are law enforcement, you cannot buy a stripped lower as a registered pistol. The FFL would be violating CA law to do so.

Regular FFL's also cannot build AR pistols for you. Needs a separate license I believe (can someone else confirm this for me?).

Best/easiest way to go is either find one private party, or buy an already completed new single shot exempt pistol, then replace whatever parts you want.