gonna get it for this question

[superhondaz50]

Yeah i'm probably gonna get it for asking but........... My budy in AZ has an AR lower for sale (CMMG) for $40 but.......... it's marked pistol Can this be shipped to my FFL and DROS'd as a rifle, then built into a rifle?

[CavTrooper]

nope. it was built as a pistol, needs to stay a pistol.

[hoffmang]

A California LEO can purchase it and bring it in as long as it doesn't have evil features.

-Gene

[SemiAutoSam]

And or a new resident moving into the PRC.

A California LEO can purchase it and bring it in as long as it doesn't have evil features.

-Gene

[dfletcher]

A pistol does not have to remain a pistol - a pistol can legally be turned into a rifle, but of course the reverse is not true.

For example, a person could take a Remington XP 100 action, attach a 22" bbl and stock and it is legally a rifle. Now exactly what you would call it is beyond me and their may be some manufacturing implications.

An AR 15 pistol frame - having been stripped and then rebuilt as a rifle is I believe legal and (absent that pesky "pistol" stamp on the side) I would wonder why it could not be brought into CA as a rifle. I believe once a rifle it must remain a rifle, even if it started out as a handgun.

[ghostwong]

So, If I purchased an HK sp89 before the CA ban - I could have had it turned into a rifle, back in the day?

A pistol does not have to remain a pistol - a pistol can legally be turned into a rifle, but of course the reverse is not true.

For example, a person could take a Remington XP 100 action, attach a 22" bbl and stock and it is legally a rifle. Now exactly what you would call it is beyond me and their may be some manufacturing implications.

An AR 15 pistol frame - having been stripped and then rebuilt as a rifle is I believe legal and (absent that pesky "pistol" stamp on the side) I would wonder why it could not be brought into CA as a rifle. I believe once a rifle it must remain a rifle, even if it started out as a handgun.

[dfletcher]

If by "back in the day" we mean before an AW ban I don't see why not. Regarding a "was a handgun, now a rifle" I would use the T/C Encore as an example.

I would bet that quite a few T/C Encore frames, originally manufactured and sold as handguns with a pistol barrel attached, somehow became separated from their barrels and had a rifle barrel attached, were subsequently sold as rifles. I'd guess at some point (before the 06 exemption) that these came into CA as rifles. Absent the frame stamp, I don't see why an AR 15 pistol changed to rifle could not come in to CA. In fact, I'd guess it has probably happened.

[superhondaz50]

So if the intention was to make the pistol lower into a rifle wouldnt it be ok to send it in to CA, the "pistol" stamp would just become moot if it was DROS'd as a rifle.

[SemiAutoSam]

Hmmmm very interesting.

It can come as a rifle but have a transformation once its within the state.

YES.

Hey Gene?

So if the intention was to make the pistol lower into a rifle wouldn't it be ok to send it in to CA, the "pistol" stamp would just become moot if it was DROS'd as a rifle.

[wilit]

Can't you build it as a single shot bolt action pistol and import it (as a whole pistol)? I thought there was another Calgunner going this route?

[dfletcher]

So if the intention was to make the pistol lower into a rifle wouldnt it be ok to send it in to CA, the "pistol" stamp would just become moot if it was DROS'd as a rifle.

I don't know what role "intent" would play and I'm comfortable stating only that if the frame was part of a fully assembled rifle could it be allowed into CA.

For example - let's say your "pistol" stamped frame at some point was made into a rifle. Even though it's stamped pistol I believe it is still a rifle and ATF's position is that it must remain so, even though it has that stamp. Absent some sort of documentation it was a rifle, if it's stamped pistol and was manufactured as a pistol it probably can't come into CA.

[dfletcher]

Hmmmm very interesting.

It can come as a rifle but have a transformation once its within the state.

YES.

Hey Gene?

Yes "Hey Gene or Bill, please".

I believe once the "pistol" becomes a rifle it must remain as a rifle - that is, you would not be able to convert it to pistol configuration any more than you'd be able to take that theoretical "XP 100 rifle" & saw off the bbl to 12" and put it into a handgun stock.

[superhondaz50]

ya if I could get the receiver I would have no intentions of making it a pistol, only a rifle, the price is just right and I would hate to pass it up.

[KenpoProfessor]

ya if I could get the receiver I would have no intentions of making it a pistol, only a rifle, the price is just right and I would hate to pass it up.

Let him know he'll have a buyer here if you don't get it , but if it's marked as a pistol and registered as a rifle, forget it.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

[cnyankee]

from what i have read in this thread i cant put a pistol barrel on my T/C Encore because i bought it as a rifle. that doesnt seem right. it was why i bought the T/C Encore in the first place.

and if i decide to sell it i have to sell it as a rifle?