Pre-Ban mags

[EMT John]

How can I obtain pre-ban magazines for an AR-15 and a Ruger 10/22 legally?

[IrishPirate]

get a time machine and go back to anytime before 01/01/2000.....then they won't be "pre-ban" anymore.

otherwise you're stuck with the number of hi-cap mags you had as of that date. technically you can buy them, though no one is allowed to sell them to you, and if you found them you wouldn't be breaking any laws by keeping them. but other than that you're pretty much SOL in the "legally" aspect.

[SocomM4]

So if I live in Cali, I can have a 30 rd mag as long as the mag was made before that date, and use it at the range? Or just have them in a shoebox?

[Merc1138]

So if I live in Cali, I can have a 30 rd mag as long as the mag was made before that date, and use it at the range? Or just have them in a shoebox?

No... you needed to have it before the date. It isn't just a matter of having magazines manufactured prior to the ban, you need to have had them in CA prior to the ban.

And you can't use them in a firearm with a fixed magazine.

[IrishPirate]

manufacture date has nothing to do with it....i have mags that are all made about a year ago. but they were rebuild kits in which i replaced all the parts from a pre-ban mag in two or more rebuilds. You can use +10 round mags in guns that don't have any evil features (aka "featurelesss), but you can't use them on guns that are featureless and have a fixed magazine or mag-lock device (like a bullet button). If your AR has an evil features, you have to have a mag-lock device....so no hi-cap magazines allowed. If your gun doesn't have any evil features then you don't need a mag-lock....so hi-caps are ok.

possession of hi-caps IS NOT A CRIME!!! But don't be surprised if you get hasseled for having and using them....some people still don't know the law.

[EMT John]

I'm cunfused irishpirate. I have an AR-15 with a bullet button. Am I aloud to have a preban hi cap mag in my rifle or not? What about a regular ruger 10/22?

[Chaos47]

wow this thread is full of bad ideas

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=387409

You can posses hi caps but you can not: manufacture or causes
to be manufacture, import into the state, keep for sale, or
offer or expose for sale, or give, or lend.

So pretty much you had to already have one or you need to find one..

You can never use a hi cap with a bullet button rifle max is 10 rounds by definition of a fixed magazine rifle

http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf

If you buy a rebuild kit but didn't posses any preban magazines prior to the ban to rebuild them into the best you can do is permanatly make them into 10rd mags.

EMT John, you are pretty much not going to legally get a hicap for either of your rifles. So get used to 10 rds.

BTW preban possession must be already in California, even if you owned it in a different state prior to the ban if you move here and try to bring it in that's "importing into the state" that also applies if you try to buy a magazine it wont count if it is preban or not its still importing

[Mssr. Eleganté]

I'm cunfused irishpirate. I have an AR-15 with a bullet button. Am I aloud to have a preban hi cap mag in my rifle or not?

A semi-auto centerfire rifle with a fixed magazine capable of holding more than ten rounds is an "assault weapon" in California. Check out the flowchart linked at the top of the page.

What about a regular ruger 10/22?

You can use any magazine you legally own in a Ruger 10/22. They are rimfire rifles. They also don't use fixed magazines, but that doesn't matter because they are already exempt because they are rimfire rifles.

[Chaos47]

A semi-auto centerfire rifle with a fixed magazine capable of holding more than ten rounds is an "assault weapon" in California. Check out the flowchart linked at the top of the page.




You can use any magazine you legally own in a Ruger 10/22. They are rimfire rifles. They also don't use fixed magazines, but that doesn't matter because they are already exempt because they are rimfire rifles.

10 rounds for rimfire too.
The magazine law is independent of the AWB
Yes you dont need a BB on a rimfire but 10 is still the max (unless you have prebans which it doesnt seem the OP does...)

[EMT John]

I understand the flow chart. I'm just trying to find a way to own a preban mag for my AR-15 with a bullet button. Also for the ruger. Since I don't have any preban mags and no time machine to get them I'm looking for a way to obtain some.

[Librarian]

See the sticky -- http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=387409

[Librarian]

I understand the flow chart. I'm just trying to find a way to own a preban mag for my AR-15 with a bullet button. Also for the ruger. Since I don't have any preban mags and no time machine to get them I'm looking for a way to obtain some.

You CANNOT do that legally, unless you are LEO.

You MAY NOT use a 10+ mag with a bullet-button equipped AR type - that manufactures an 'assault weapon'; avoiding the condition of 'California banned semi-automatic rifle' is the whole point of having a magazine locking device.

And the description 'pre ban' never had any meaning in California, and no longer has a meaning in the U. S.

[Chaos47]

I understand the flow chart. I'm just trying to find a way to own a preban mag for my AR-15 with a bullet button. Also for the ruger. Since I don't have any preban mags and no time machine to get them I'm looking for a way to obtain some.

No no you really don't.... no hicaps in a non detachable magazine rifle.
Change your rifle over to featureless if you want to use hicaps

You need to understand there really isn't a way for you to obtain the magazines!

[Mssr. Eleganté]

...Yes you dont need a BB on a rimfire but 10 is still the max (unless you have prebans which it doesnt seem the OP does...)

So you agree with what I said.

[EMT John]

Ok how about a ruger 10/22?