Any reason a FLL would make you wait 11 days?

[GlockOn]

Lame excuse. I have never seen DROS out of commission. The only thing that ever goes out of commission is my Internet connection. At that point I tell the customer I will run his/her DROS as soon as I can and I will call you to inform you of your pick up date and time.

Second, there is no such thing as my records vs. the DOJ's records. There is only the DOJ's date and time of DROS printed on the DROS form. In this case the DOJ would stick the dealer for breaking the law because the dealer is an idiot for thinking his time counts for something when everyone knows the date and time on the DROS is the only one that matters.

A little patience when the dealer makes you wait longer than you need to is plain and simply the dealer holding onto your firearm longer than they need to. Ten 24 hour periods is as simple as it gets. There is zero rational excuse for doing so and your guy's attempts to find one is being way too nice. If you can't handle counting ten 24 hour periods or have employees that can't do it, then you need to get out of this game.

The DROS system was down for at least an hour last week. We called the state and they confirmed it was down and said they were working on it. So apparently it has gone down at least once... But I understand what you are saying, typically a firearm should not be held longer than 10-24 hour periods.

[heyjak]

Relax!

Lame excuse. I have never seen DROS out of commission. The only thing that ever goes out of commission is my Internet connection. At that point I tell the customer I will run his/her DROS as soon as I can and I will call you to inform you of your pick up date and time.

Second, there is no such thing as my records vs. the DOJ's records. There is only the DOJ's date and time of DROS printed on the DROS form. In this case the DOJ would stick the dealer for breaking the law because the dealer is an idiot for thinking his time counts for something when everyone knows the date and time on the DROS is the only one that matters.

A little patience when the dealer makes you wait longer than you need to is plain and simply the dealer holding onto your firearm longer than they need to. Ten 24 hour periods is as simple as it gets. There is zero rational excuse for doing so and your guy's attempts to find one is being way too nice. If you can't handle counting ten 24 hour periods or have employees that can't do it, then you need to get out of this game.

I think you are being a little too harsh here Mr. Ten Percent. I hope your computers or ISP never give you any grief. (seriously)
I for one am not in such a big hurry to get my hands on a new toy that I can't have a little patience. I don't like having to wait any more than anyone else, but if I'm told ahead of time (and this is the big "if") I don't mind a little extra time. Stuff happens and I happen to know the incident I'm most familiar with was not the dealer's fault. P.S.: Be careful using the word "never"

[tenpercentfirearms]

I think you are being a little too harsh here Mr. Ten Percent. I hope your computers or ISP never give you any grief. (seriously)
I for one am not in such a big hurry to get my hands on a new toy that I can't have a little patience. I don't like having to wait any more than anyone else, but if I'm told ahead of time (and this is the big "if") I don't mind a little extra time. Stuff happens and I happen to know the incident I'm most familiar with was not the dealer's fault. P.S.: Be careful using the word "never"

The computers or ISP can give me all the grief they want, that still doesn't mean I need to hold onto your gun for 11 days past date and time of DROS. I have my ISP give me problems once a month or so. I notify the customers at that time my ISP is down and that I will have to run their DROS later. I inform them that I will call them back and let them know when they can pick up their gun.

I most certainly appreciate customers who understand that sometimes these things are beyond a dealer's control and that sometimes you might have to wait longer because of a computer malfunction. You as a customer should also expect your gun dealer to know the laws and to give you the best customer service possible. Any excuse for holding onto a firearm past the ten 24 hour periods is simply an excuse. You should expect more from your dealer. If not, that is fine too. Not everyone is in a hurry to get their gun and that is fine.

Sorry, there are many things I would hope you would give CA dealers some leeway on. I strongly feel an 11 day wait is not one of them.

Its kind of like Jerry's Sport Center not "honoring my high capacity magazine permit". I try to do as little business with them possible now. Companies that insert silly procedures and rules at the customer's expense due to a non-existent threat do not deserve my business. I have made my decision, but you need to make your own.

[50 Freak]

I'd hate to admit it but if I was a dealer, I'd do the 11 days myself. My personal FFL guy told me a story of how Iggy (yes our one and only Iggy) threatened to close him down because he accidently let a customer pic up his gun 10 min before before the "official" end of 10 24 hour periods. The customer had bought the gun right at closing and did the paperwork a little after closing. So 10 days later, he came right before closing the dealer wanted to close and thought "hey, what's 10 minutes going to do".

I don't know how Iggy found out but he harrassed this FFL so much, he almost didn't want to do any more transfers period.

You guys only have our beloved DOJ to thank for this....as if they have never in their lives made mistakes. I heard somewhere in congressional hearing that based upon the DOJ/ATF guidelines, Dealer inaccuracies on paperwork have been only something like less than 1% error rates. And that even with that, the dealers nationwide have been shut down for small trivial mistakes.

AS IF OUR GOVERNMENT/DOJ CAN CLAIM LESS THAN A 1% ERROR RATE IN THEIR EVERYDAY TRANSACTIONS.

[tenpercentfirearms]

I'd hate to admit it but if I was a dealer, I'd do the 11 days myself. My personal FFL guy told me a story of how Iggy (yes our one and only Iggy) threatened to close him down because he accidently let a customer pic up his gun 10 min before before the "official" end of 10 24 hour periods. The customer had bought the gun right at closing and did the paperwork a little after closing. So 10 days later, he came right before closing the dealer wanted to close and thought "hey, what's 10 minutes going to do".

I don't know how Iggy found out but he harrassed this FFL so much, he almost didn't want to do any more transfers period.

You guys only have our beloved DOJ to thank for this....as if they have never in their lives made mistakes. I heard somewhere in congressional hearing that based upon the DOJ/ATF guidelines, Dealer inaccuracies on paperwork have been only something like less than 1% error rates. And that even with that, the dealers nationwide have been shut down for small trivial mistakes.

AS IF OUR GOVERNMENT/DOJ CAN CLAIM LESS THAN A 1% ERROR RATE IN THEIR EVERYDAY TRANSACTIONS.

The customer was either an undercover or he wrote down the actual time on the DROS. The problem isn't making people wait 11 days, the problem is the dealer didn't follow the rules. Again, I don't see why the dealer's mistake or actual disregard for the law should hamper responsible customers?

[Fjold]

It's in black and white. Why is there any discussion about this? The dealer controls the firearm until after 10 - 24 hour periods, if he gives the customer the gun early he's at fault.

It's not rocket science the actual DROS time and date are printed right in front of him.


"I'd hate to admit it but if I was a dealer, I'd do the 11 days myself. My personal FFL guy told me a story of how Iggy (yes our one and only Iggy) threatened to close him down because he accidently let a customer pic up his gun 10 min before before the "official" end of 10 24 hour periods. The customer had bought the gun right at closing and did the paperwork a little after closing. So 10 days later, he came right before closing the dealer wanted to close and thought "hey, what's 10 minutes going to do"."


In the example above, the dealer didn't "accidently let a customer pic (sic) up his gun 10 minutes before the "official" end". The fact that he "wanted to close and thought "hey, what's 10 minutes going to do"." means that he intentionally broke the law!

He apparently considers the convenience of not going home 10 minutes late more important than the law.