Why so few 45 acp Carbines.

[acaligunner]

I have always thought that a nice 45 acp carbine would be a terrific SD arm, but when you look around for them, they are few and far from being made.

WHY?

I bet it would be a perfect arm for the house, or out to 100 yrds.

Also can anyone tell me why the H&K USP only accepts 10 round mags, without being modified?

Disclaimer, I know the Ca law is 10 rounds and under, just wanted to know the reasoning behind it.

acaligunner

[ubet]

Far as pistol rounds in a carbine, their is A LOT better choices. 45lc, 44/40, 44mag, 500sw, , all come to mind, and are in rifles. These cartridges all have more power, better trajectory (yes I know its a pistol cartridge and not a 1000yd paper puncher).

[ireload]

I would assume it depends on consumer demand.

[Merc1138]

Probably due to being kinda pointless thanks to minimum OAL and barrel length requirements.

Unless you're getting an SBR, why bother with a 26"(outside CA) 16" barrel pistol caliber weapon?

The Kriss super-v looks nice, until you have to put a giant barrel on it, pin the stock, and put a mag lock in place, or just have a pistol version that ends up being bulky since the civilian version is semi-auto only anyway.

[CAL.BAR]

Hell I have two! Thompson 1928 (RAW) and HK USC/UMP. Both are "choppers" and devastating at close range. But as far as home defense, even the polymer UMP is relatively large and unwieldy to keep "at the ready" for my (if not most) home protection scenarios. For most of us, a simple pistol is more than enough and much easier to secure an a small available safe.

[Maddog5150]

Far as pistol rounds in a carbine, their is A LOT better choices. 45lc, 44/40, 44mag, 500sw, , all come to mind, and are in rifles. These cartridges all have more power, better trajectory (yes I know its a pistol cartridge and not a 1000yd paper puncher).

This is a great anwser. If you honestly want a kick *** all around pistol carbine, find an old ruger semi 44mag. I know I know, its not all black and wont be on a video game but its way better for distance than a 45ACP carbine and also better characteristics for hunting.
Other options for tacticool carbines will be an AR-15 in 45acp
Kriss
HiPoint

[Uriah02]

Between the Kriss and HK USC I can't think of any other .45ACP Carbines. I have to agree with Merc, once you get to the barrel and overall length requirements the appeal drops off.

[bill_k_lopez]

Between the Kriss and HK USC I can't think of any other .45ACP Carbines. I have to agree with Merc, once you get to the barrel and overall length requirements the appeal drops off.

I'm in the market for one in .45 acp right now too.

Here is what I've found

Kiris
HK USC
MasterPiece Arms .45 ACP
Hi-Point carbine .45
Olypic Arms M.F.R. .45ACP Carbine
Marlin Camp Carbine
Beretta Storm CX4

I'm leaning towards the Storm right now, but trying to convince myself that if I'm going to spend $700 on it I might as well spend $1400 on the HK

[jdberger]

If you look real hard, you might be able to find a Winchester 92 in .45 ACP. Good luck on that.

A company called Nighthawk or something (or maybe Linda?) made a .45 carbine, too. I also recall folks using Sten or Sterling kits to make guns that ran on Greasegun mags. Finally - I believe that there was an Uzi in .45...

[iareConfusE]

I have always thought that a nice 45 acp carbine would be a terrific SD arm, but when you look around for them, they are few and far from being made.

WHY?

I bet it would be a perfect arm for the house, or out to 100 yrds.

Also can anyone tell me why the H&K USP only accepts 10 round mags, without being modified?

Disclaimer, I know the Ca law is 10 rounds and under, just wanted to know the reasoning behind it.

acaligunner

What do you mean the USP only accepts 10 round mags without being modified?

http://www.cdnninvestments.com/hkusp4512mag.html

[hellraiser]

I read some where the 45 acp camp carbine can fit xd mags with very little modification... That would seem like a very cool way to go if it's true...

[CHS]

I read some where the 45 acp camp carbine can fit xd mags with very little modification... That would seem like a very cool way to go if it's true...

The Camp 45 takes 1911 mags. I don't know how you would fit XD mags in there.

The Camp 9 takes S&W 5900 series magazines, which you can find in capacities up to 30rd's. I've got a bunch of 20rd'ers for mine.

[acaligunner]

What do you mean the USP only accepts 10 round mags without being modified?

http://www.cdnninvestments.com/hkusp4512mag.html

I was talking about the HK USC, which only takes 10 round mags.



I have the HK pistols, and I know they have been neutered from 12 to 10 rounds.

acaligunner

[JaMail]

turners has the hi point in stock.. not a bad little carbine... alot of options for under 400

[Grumpyoldretiredcop]

I was talking about the HK USC, which only takes 10 round mags.



I have the HK pistols, and I know they have been neutered from 12 to 10 rounds.

acaligunner

Because HK was playing the PC game in order to sell the weapon in the US at the time it was being designed.

The USC can easily (but not necessarily cheaply) be converted to accept magazines of a more reasonable capacity. By the time I was done, I could have purchased a pretty darn nice AR and a bunch of ammo to practice with, too.

As to why there are so few .45 ACP carbines, I'd suspect that it has to do with combining the length of a carbine with a low-powered/short-ranged (compared to rifle rounds) pistol round without the SMG's advantage of fully automatic fire. Don't get me wrong - I love my GG converted USC, but if it came down to home defense, a pistol would do a better job, and in the field, if a rifle caliber carbine is available, the USC is overshadowed.