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  • 1911su16b870
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    CGN Contributor
    • Dec 2006
    • 7654

    FL vs MPro7/Otis CLP

    A big thanks to utvtactical for sending me a trial 1/4-oz Frog Lube. So I took two AR rifles to Angeles and shot a a few hundred rounds through each. My 16-in had a total of 500 rounds through it over three outings and the 20-in had 100 rounds of Mk262 through it in one outing.

    I really want to find a good "non-toxic, biodegradable" cleaner/lube. I use Simple Green for heavy cleaning and want to pair down my supplies to that and either Frog Lube or Ballistol. I like the way all these products smell and just wanted to see how they worked in cleaning right now.

    I cleaned the 16-in only with Frog Lube. In the 20-in used my traditional MPro7, followed by Otis bore cleaner/CLP. Finally I lubed one with FL and the other with Slip2000EWL.

    Photos and play by play are below.



    The dirty cloth is only wiping the BCG/Reivers dry and picking up any dirt. I then took FL and put it on a new bronze brush and scrubbed away and then went through with patches. After a few, I started dipping the patches in the FL and running through the bore. I ran both sides of each impregnated patch. I continued until the dirt on each patch was minimal and then I finished with a bore snake and finally one impregnated patch. Total passes was 27 patches, then I ran the bronze brush and again with 5 patches and finally one impregnated with FL. Total patch runs 33. I then took two corners of another cloth and dipped each in FL and wiped down all the cleaned areas with those corners and you can see the dirt that was picked up on the corners. Lastly I FL-ed the BCG and receiver in anticipation of the next range trip with that rifle: to be continued.




    Same methodology applies here, I took one cloth with MPro7 on it and wiped everything down - much dirtier, but the second cloth did not pickup any significant dirt (seen at bottom with patches on top). Then I applied Otis bore clean/clp to another bronze brush, went to town and ran the first patch through. I ran 5 more and then used patches with Otis CLP on them. I did not double use these patches as I did with the FL example. 11 of these, three dry, two wet, three dry, one boresnake and finally a wet one. Total patch runs 26 for one fifth less rounds down the tube.

    So far so good, now to run the FL carbine with only FL on it and see how it performs.
    Last edited by 1911su16b870; 07-01-2011, 2:32 PM.
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  • #2
    SixPointEight
    Veteran Member
    • May 2009
    • 3788

    The other thread got closed, and I'm also testing froglube. I started a corrosion test last night. Froglube was applied twice by heating the metal, applying, waiting 60 minutes and wiping it off. All other oils, a towel was saturated, and the surface wiped down(in accordance with their directions if applicable. It was allowed to "cure" overnight in case it would make any difference. At 9 am the sheet was placed outside and sprayed with a mild salt solution which I figure would replicate corrosive ammo. Didn't expect to see anything today. But it's been roughly 10 hours and I found this:



    Froglube and control have pretty similar amounts of rust. Even Hoppe's 9 oil seems to have beat it by a bit. All three of the automotive selections are doing well, as is breakfree's CLP.

    So far the only thing I've proven to be true about froglube is that it smells good.
    Last edited by SixPointEight; 07-02-2011, 6:51 PM.

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    • #3
      L4D
      Veteran Member
      • Sep 2009
      • 3053

      That settles it for me. Frog Lube is snake oil in the world of firearms.

      Want to claim that its not? Prove it.


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      • #4
        SixPointEight
        Veteran Member
        • May 2009
        • 3788

        I will add that this is like worst case. I put FL on a part of the steel that didn't get wet, and the FL didn't cause any rust. So far though, it's not looking promising.

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        • #5
          fuzz415
          Member
          • Aug 2010
          • 227

          Just curious, what is the square nex to frog lube? its unmarked, another control group?

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          • #6
            SixPointEight
            Veteran Member
            • May 2009
            • 3788

            It's extra. The rust spots were spray that landed there as well. It's not a "control" because it didn't receive the same amount of mist that all the others did.

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            • #7
              Briancnelson
              Senior Member
              CGN Contributor
              • May 2011
              • 802

              I got markedly different results on my rust test with about 6 different ones. I'll have to post the pictures.

              FL beat hoppes and breakfree in that one, was about the same as TW and got its pants beat by eezox. The test ran about a week.

              I was going to post the pics in the other thread but it's gone. I'll get them hosted somewhere shortly.
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              • #8
                SixPointEight
                Veteran Member
                • May 2009
                • 3788

                How did you apply the froglube? Did you leave it with a wet sheen like other oils?

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                • #9
                  Ieyasu
                  Member
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 107

                  It's interesting that everybody seems to get different results when doing a corrosion test.

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                  • #10
                    SixPointEight
                    Veteran Member
                    • May 2009
                    • 3788

                    They seem to have gotten the results I did.

                    I feel like maybe I shouldn't bother, but it's time for a second test. I'm going for a shoot on Monday, so I just cleaned my glock with FL and then heated it up to let it "season" Does say that it'll take a couple times before the full effects are noticed. So I'm going to clean it again after it all cools then...heat it up and recoat it. Maybe even a third time before monday. My M&P is going to get a full cleaning using JUST Breakfree CLP, then be lubed with it. 200 rounds through each one, it's not much but I'm broke, and then cleaned afterwards. I debated doing my AR's or my shotgun first, but the shotgun won't see as much action, and didn't want to risk my AR's just yet.

                    I will say, FL seemed to clean my glock rather well. Not sure if the thick consistency is better at grabbing carbon, or there's a chemical that helps clean, or maybe my gun was shot less than it's usual cleaning interval. This isn't a quantitative result, it just feels that way.

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                    • #11
                      Ieyasu
                      Member
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 107

                      Originally posted by JT1989
                      I will say, FL seemed to clean my glock rather well. Not sure if the thick consistency is better at grabbing carbon, or there's a chemical that helps clean, or maybe my gun was shot less than it's usual cleaning interval. This isn't a quantitative result, it just feels that way.
                      A poster on the Sig forums claims to have gotten improved cleaning results with FL:
                      On a side note: I put 300 rounds through her 4 days ago. One good scrub through the barrel with a brush and some Frog Lube and the barrel was PRISTINE.

                      CLEANING PROPERTIES CONFIRMED. Never seen anything like it, and I'm not being dramamtic. If I had been using Hoppe's or something of the like I would have been at it for a good long while as loaded as it was.


                      Personally, I'm not worried about corrosion, but if something will cut my cleaning time in half or better, I'm definitely interested.

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                      • #12
                        xxINKxx
                        Veteran Member
                        • Jun 2008
                        • 4289

                        Not bashing frog lube, but damn, it seems like it takes as much time to correctly apply and maintain the stuff, as it is to just use a cheap quick lube job and cleaning and re-applying the basic lube more frequently
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                        • #13
                          Briancnelson
                          Senior Member
                          CGN Contributor
                          • May 2011
                          • 802

                          Nah, you only have to do all the hassle stuff the first time. After that its the same as any other lube.

                          I applied it per the instructions, that is, I allowed it to dry and didn't leave a lot of excess on it. I did heat the scrap up and do the seasoning procedure, and applied it twice, per instructions.

                          To be fair, I also did multiple treatments of the others over the same 2 day period before starting the test, to make sure they were thoroughly coated.

                          I have noticed that the corrosion tests which get better results with Froglube closely followed the instructions that came with the lube for a first application, while those who did not, get poor results.

                          I'd repeat it, to see if I can get consistent results, but my neighbors got pissy last time I left the plates out for a week, and the condo association sent me a nasty letter. God I hate LA.
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                          • #14
                            stitchnicklas
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Feb 2010
                            • 7091

                            i always clean with breakfree clp and lube with mpro7 oil,never had a issue or excessive wearing,ar is at 2000rds.

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                            • #15
                              SixPointEight
                              Veteran Member
                              • May 2009
                              • 3788

                              Originally posted by Briancnelson
                              Nah, you only have to do all the hassle stuff the first time. After that its the same as any other lube.

                              I applied it per the instructions, that is, I allowed it to dry and didn't leave a lot of excess on it. I did heat the scrap up and do the seasoning procedure, and applied it twice, per instructions.

                              To be fair, I also did multiple treatments of the others over the same 2 day period before starting the test, to make sure they were thoroughly coated.

                              I have noticed that the corrosion tests which get better results with Froglube closely followed the instructions that came with the lube for a first application, while those who did not, get poor results.

                              I'd repeat it, to see if I can get consistent results, but my neighbors got pissy last time I left the plates out for a week, and the condo association sent me a nasty letter. God I hate LA.
                              I wet the steel with FL, heated it with a hair dryer until it was too hot to handle, coated it, let it dry for 45 min. Cleaned it, reheated and reapplied. 45 minutes later I wiped it down again. Pretty much exactly what the directions say

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