So this guy shows up with a Slide Fire SSAR15 Stock at the range...

[sfbay]

You did the right thing and you're a better person for it.

Also, i sincerely think that when he got home he thanked you, the stars, and God almighty that you stepped in and helped.

[pacman1979]

Everyone talks about the SlideFire being a MULTIBURST TRIGGER ACTIVATOR. Can anyone tell me in section (a) & (b) of 12020 (23) where the SlideFire fits into being a MULTIBURST TRIGGER ACTIVATOR?

The SlideFire stock has no mechanical parts or peices that increase the rate of fire. No springs, nothing. It's a "Shooting Technique" you can use (once you have mastered it. I have shot the SlideFire and it took me all day before I could master it) with the SlideFire that allows you to "BUMP FIRE" your AR not BURST FIRE (which is stated in 12020 (23) section (a)).

I can legally take my SlideFire to a shooting range and shoot it, because in order to bump fire the AR I have to apply a very specific shooting technique. And when I am at the range I can easily not apply that technique. Remember: Rapid Fire Shooting is not allowed at the range. With the SlideFire, you can easily shoot it without Rapid Fire.

[Toyman321]

Everyone talks about the SlideFire being a MULTIBURST TRIGGER ACTIVATOR. Can anyone tell me in section (a) & (b) of 12020 (23) where the SlideFire fits into being a MULTIBURST TRIGGER ACTIVATOR?

The SlideFire stock has no mechanical parts or peices that increase the rate of fire. No springs, nothing. It's a "Shooting Technique" you can use (once you have mastered it. I have shot the SlideFire and it took me all day before I could master it) with the SlideFire that allows you to "BUMP FIRE" your AR not BURST FIRE (which is stated in 12020 (23) section (a)).

I can legally take my SlideFire to a shooting range and shoot it, because in order to bump fire the AR I have to apply a very specific shooting technique. And when I am at the range I can easily not apply that technique. Remember: Rapid Fire Shooting is not allowed at the range. With the SlideFire, you can easily shoot it without Rapid Fire.

This has been beaten to death here, search. EVERY single one of your posts since you've joined has been questioning the legality of this stock insisting it's legal..... dare I ask what your agenda is?

[five.five-six]

not to be a jack, but according to your interpretation of 12020, my pants are a "multiburst trigger activator" .... wait till I tell my wife what is getting in bed with her tonight

multiburst
trigger activator, any nunchaku, any short-barreled shotgun, any
short-barreled rifle, any metal knuckles, any belt buckle knife, any
leaded cane, any zip gun, any shuriken, any unconventional pistol,
any lipstick case knife, any cane sword, any shobi-zue, any air gauge
knife, any writing pen knife, any metal military practice
handgrenade or metal replica handgrenade, or any instrument or weapon
of the kind commonly known as a blackjack, slungshot, billy,
sandclub, sap, or sandbag.


(23) As used in this section, a "multiburst trigger activator"
means one of the following devices:
(A) A device designed or redesigned to be attached to a
semiautomatic firearm which allows the firearm to discharge two or
more shots in a burst by activating the device.
(B) A manual or power-driven trigger activating device constructed
and designed so that when attached to a semiautomatic firearm it
increases the rate of fire of that firearm.

[wayneinFL]

Hi all, I'm new here. This topic caught my eye, hence my post.

Some of this talk is unfortunate and IMO irresponsible. The tone of some senior members and a CGF BoD member is that this device is illegal and anyone caught using one will/should go to jail and CGF could care less because the person was stupid for breaking the law. That's just the tone, I'm not paraphrasing anyone.

This is very similar to the tone and overall attitude that the NRA initially had with respect to Heller, in US v. Heller. Because the pertinent sections of 12020 are vague and unclear, there is room for argument on both sides of the issue and people should be aware of that if they are considering a purchase. Know the risk and act within your comfort zone. However, to vigorously, seeming with passion and conviction, make the argument again and again that this device is IN FACT illegal, from those with standing in the gun community and a public presence, is irresponsible and puts those people firmly on the prosecution witness list if a case ever goes to court. I don't mean that literally, although it escapes me why a DA who is pushing for a conviction on this would not bring a well known and respected "gun advocate" to the stand to testify on behalf of the prosecution. This posturing, opining and commentary is irresponsible if someone is trying to decrease restrictions on lawful gun owners - if they believe the Slide Fire should be illegal in CA, then of course my comments don't apply - they're acting appropriately - arguing for a restrictive (as opposed to a permissive) interpretation of a statute.

If a case is ever brought to court, then a judge or jury will decide based on all the facts, whether this device is illegal. Until then no one knows - it's all speculation. A letter from the CA DOJ is likely NOT forthcoming, and ultimately may not protect someone (the executive branch can comment on whether they are likely to enforce a statute in a certain way, but to my knowledge it does not prohibit them from a contradictory enforcement - if I'm wrong here please chime it). Where a case is brought makes a big difference - is a jury drawn from rural Shasta county, with relatively high gun ownership and CC, or from democratic San Francisco? The specific facts make a difference - who is the defendant, how are they viewed in the community, etc. The skill and conviction of each party makes a difference. Finance makes a difference. To those people who say "the law is the law and it's black and white" - please, much of the legal field exists because this isn't true. A verdict can go either way - how many of us thought OJ Simpson was guilty? There are a tremendous number of variables.

Personally, I think the slide fire SHOULD NOT be illegal and I support such an interpretation of Cal. Penal Code 12020.

I was going to put a lengthy post up here but this pretty much covers it. I understand that everyone is trying to keep people out of trouble- erring on the side of caution. A DOJ letter would be nice, but I doubt it's going to happen. you really need a test case on this, and you want to have it fall in your favor. Playing it safe is a double edged sword.

Of course, I'm not the brave soul volunteering for the test case.

[Librarian]

Until we get a test case to clarify, no point in arguing.