Mandatory Gun Lock for PPT?

[nbkvig2]

I was doing a PPT DROS @ Turner's today (ended up getting canceled halfway but I won't get into that) and was told it is mandatory to buy a gun lock no matter if you have a receipt or not within the 30 days, also even for long guns, you cannot sign an affadavit stating you own a safe and get away with it. I didn't wanna argue because honestly I didn't know if there was a law that had outlawed all the above or not so I figured I would post here and see if there's any validity to the claim.

Funny thing is, I did a PPT DROS at the same Turner's 2 weeks ago and the guy helped me said "if you have a lock you purchased within 30 days, bring the receipt and you don't have to buy it". Also I just did another PPT DROS 3 days ago (at another location) and they accepted my receipt fine. So with that said, it's been a very very disappointing day for me and the least I can do is figure this crud out for future reference.

Please shed any light or insight if you have any regarding this...

[negolien]

If your receipt shows within 30 days I have been told several times and don't lie about he safes they ask for model numbers and crap I hear. Why lie anyway though to be honest.

[Baconator]

Depends on who you ask it seems. I've done transfers at more than one place where they took the OEM lock. There have been a ton of arguments about it, here is the relevant law:

12088.1. (a) All firearms sold or transferred in this state by a licensed firearms dealer, including private transfers through a dealer, and all firearms manufactured in this state, shall include or be accompanied by a firearms safety device that is listed on the Department of Justice's roster of approved firearms safety devices and that is identified as appropriate for that firearm by reference to either the manufacturer and model of the firearm, or to the physical characteristics of the firearm that match those listed on the roster for use with the device.
(b) All firearms sold or transferred in this state by a licensed firearms dealer, including private transfers through a dealer, and all firearms manufactured in this state shall be accompanied with warning language or labels as described in Section 12088.3.
(c)(1) All long-gun safes commercially sold or transferred in this state, or manufactured in this state for sale in this state, that do not meet the standards for gun safes adopted pursuant to Section 12088.2 shall be accompanied by the following warning:
"WARNING: This gun safe does not meet the safety standards for gun safes specified in California Penal Code Section 12088.2. It does not satisfy the requirements of Penal Code Section 12088.1, which mandates that all firearms sold in California be accompanied by a firearms safety device or proof of ownership, as required by law, of a gun safe that meets the Section 12088.2 minimum safety standards developed by the California Attorney General."

(2) This warning shall be conspicuously displayed in its entirety on the principal display panel of the gun safe's package, on any descriptive materials that accompany the gun safe, and on a label affixed to the front of the gun safe.
(3) This warning shall be displayed in both English and Spanish in conspicuous and legible type in contrast by typography, layout, or color with other printed matter on the package or descriptive materials in a manner consistent with Part 1500.121 of Title 16 of the Code of Federal Regulations, or successor regulations thereto.
(d) The sale or transfer of a firearm shall be exempt from subdivision (a) if both of the following apply:
(1) The purchaser or transferee owns a gun safe that meets the standards set forth in Section 12088.2. Gun safes shall not be required to be tested, and therefore may meet the standards without appearing on the Department of Justice roster.
(2) The purchaser or transferee presents an original receipt for purchase of the gun safe, or other proof of purchase or ownership of the gun safe as authorized by the Attorney General, to the firearms dealer. The dealer shall maintain a copy of this receipt or proof of purchase with the dealers' record of sales of firearms.
(e) The sale or transfer of a firearm shall be exempt from subdivision (a) if all of the following apply:
(1) The purchaser or transferee purchases an approved safety device no more than 30 days prior to the day the purchaser or transferee takes possession of the firearm.
(2) The purchaser or transferee presents the approved safety device to the firearms dealer when picking up the firearm.
(3) The purchaser or transferee presents an original receipt to the firearms dealer which shows the date of purchase, the name, and the model number of the safety device.
(4) The firearms dealer verifies that the requirements in (1) to (3), inclusive, have been satisfied.
(5) The firearms dealer maintains a copy of the receipt along with the dealers' record of sales of firearms.

[nbkvig2]

Depends on who you ask it seems. I've done transfers at more than one place where they took the OEM lock. There have been a ton of arguments about it, here is the relevant law:

thanks, this is what I'm looking for I guess. Which is what I thought, but apparently according to this turner, they have outlawed it and that you MUST purchase a cable lock no matter what. Your safe, your OEM lock, your receipt within 30 days...nothing will work. Sigh...I try to give Turner's chance after chance but somehow something ALWAYS happens there when doing DROS and I just don't wanna get into an argument with them because ultimately, it's either I choose to do it there or go somewhere else and there's no way I'm gonna drag the seller to another location just for a stupid lock.

[Baconator]

thanks, this is what I'm looking for I guess. Which is what I thought, but apparently according to this turner, they have outlawed it and that you MUST purchase a cable lock no matter what. Your safe, your OEM lock, your receipt within 30 days...nothing will work. Sigh...I try to give Turner's chance after chance but somehow something ALWAYS happens there when doing DROS and I just don't wanna get into an argument with them because ultimately, it's either I choose to do it there or go somewhere else and there's no way I'm gonna drag the seller to another location just for a stupid lock.

It's not just there. I was doing a PPT at Ammo Bros on Ontario. The guy that checked the gun said saw the OEM lock and was like "well you're gonna need to buy a new lock since you don't have one with a receipt." Then another guy came to do the paperwork and said "Ok good, OEM lock, good to go."

[nbkvig2]

Wow that kind of sucks...just had a pretty bad day I guess cause the DROS got canceled over some stupid @#$@...and the seller came for nothing, I felt so bad. Wanted to give him some gas money but all I had were large bills. Oh wells, bad days happen I guess....

[den888]

I did a PPT at an FFL I won't name and the pistol came with the factory lock, I was asked to buy another lock. A few weeks later, I did another PPT and another FFL and the pistol also came with the factory lock, and I did not need to buy one.

[CSACANNONEER]

CA state law allows for nothing more than a safe afidavit or buying a lock within 30 days and having a receipt for ALL firearms. Federal law requires a lock before any HANDGUN leaves the store. Federal law does not make it mandatory to purchase a seperate lock if the gun comes with a lock. Ca law does not allow for a lock to be provided as part of the purchase unless, that lock is a seperate item on the receipt and is a "Ca approved lock".

[Dead*Reckoned]

What if the gun has an integral safety lock that required a key? Is another lock required still?

[Librarian]

What if the gun has an integral safety lock that required a key? Is another lock required still?

Can't tell.

That's supposed to work.

But I contacted DOJ a couple weeks ago about which ones were approved such that an extra lock would not be required, and no response yet.

[dieselpower]

What if the gun has an integral safety lock that required a key? Is another lock required still?

read post 3.

@ the OP..so you have bought several firearms with the same lock and same receipt and you don't think thats a violation of law...intresting.

can we get a morals thread on this please...LOL

[G1500]

Which Turners?

[Baconator]

CA state law allows for nothing more than a safe afidavit or buying a lock within 30 days and having a receipt for ALL firearms. Federal law requires a lock before any HANDGUN leaves the store. Federal law does not make it mandatory to purchase a seperate lock if the gun comes with a lock. Ca law does not allow for a lock to be provided as part of the purchase unless, that lock is a seperate item on the receipt and is a "Ca approved lock".

I don't understand this sentence.

[G1500]

I don't understand this sentence.

I understand it, but it is not correct.

[ETD1010]

It's not just there. I was doing a PPT at Ammo Bros on Ontario. The guy that checked the gun said saw the OEM lock and was like "well you're gonna need to buy a new lock since you don't have one with a receipt." Then another guy came to do the paperwork and said "Ok good, OEM lock, good to go."

This is the major problem with the FEDERAL law and the STATE law getting confused with one another..

The FEDERAL law states that a lock must be supplied with any handgun purchase. It doesn't' need a receipt. It just must be present for the firearm. The STATE law is the one that required the receipt of a lock within 30 days OR a signing of the safe affidavit. The latter will satisfy STATE law, but FEDERAL law still requires a lock (can be OEM or one of those project childsafe locks) be supplied with the firearms.