Exactly what laws are you breaking if you carry a pistol without a permit?

[eXcision]

If you get caught of course, Without a CCW and are underage (19/20) how much trouble could I get if I carried one at work and got caught?

Where I work at, We got robbed at gunpoint today and I wasn't there at the time thank god, I was on my break. However, What if I was there and shot one of them? Would I actually get 25 to life or something of that stature because I wasn't legally carrying it?

[thrasherfox]

I was going to post my opinion. but dont feel like getting flamed so soon again.

I will just post this for food for thought

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/16/wal-mart-employees-fired-helping-capture-alleged-criminal/

[eXcision]

Thrasher, If you don't want to get flamed, PM me. It really does interest me.

Also, Wow, Seriously? That's very dumb. (The link)

Tonight, They had a .357 Revolver on the securities head and I know that since I'm in california, Had someone shot him, The "Good" person would have been going to jail and the "Bad" person would have been the "Victim".

[paul0660]

Depends on who catches you. If a cop, you could be charged with a violation of 12025 and if the gun is loaded, 12031.

No idea what a first offender would receive, but there is a real possibility that you would lose the right to possess firearms forever.

[Burbur]

If you are asking about concealed carry on the premises of your work, you need to talk to your employer; it's his call.

When they tell you 'No', you would be facing termination of employment, on top of any legal issues, if you get caught carrying, even if you are a hero and save lives.

[Librarian]

PC 12025, CCW without a permit, and if it were loaded and you were not the registered owner of the handgun, a sentence enhancement of "imprisonment in the state prison, or by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year, by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that fine and imprisonment".

That is, if you were charged at all, that's the risk. A good self-defense shoot might not even be charged, though in much of California that expectation probably comes with unicorns.

[paul0660]

And as far as employees carrying, with permission, I don't think it is all that clear from the PC.

One exception to 12025 is 12026 which says

who carries, either openly or concealed, anywhere within the citizen's or legal resident's place of residence, place of business,

An exception to 12031 is

(h) Nothing in this section shall prevent any person engaged in
any lawful business, including a nonprofit organization, or any
officer, employee, or agent authorized by that person for lawful
purposes connected with that business, from having a loaded firearm
within the person's place of business, or any person in lawful
possession of private property from having a loaded firearm on that
property.

Why carry in one case and have in the other.......no idea, except probably the right hand not knowing what the left is writing.

[Quiet]

If you get caught of course, Without a CCW and are underage (19/20) how much trouble could I get if I carried one at work and got caught?

Concealed carry without a valid permit = PC 12025(a)
Loaded firearm in public = PC 12031(a)(1)

If the handgun is registered to you = two misdemeanors [PC 12025(b)(7)] & [PC 12031(a)(2)(G)]
If the handgun is not registered to you = two felonies [PC 12025(b)(6)] & [PC 12031(a)(2)(F)]

If convicted of felony(s) = lifetime prohibitions on possessing/owning firearms or ammunition
If convicted of misdemeanor(s) = probation, usually a 5 year prohibition on possessing/owning firearms or ammunition


Penal Code 12025
(a) A person is guilty of carrying a concealed firearm when he or she does any of the following:
(1) Carries concealed within any vehicle which is under his or her control or direction any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.
(2) Carries concealed upon his or her person any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.
(3) Causes to be carried concealed within any vehicle in which he or she is an occupant any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.
(b) Carrying a concealed firearm in violation of this section is punishable, as follows:
(6) By imprisonment in the state prison, or by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year, by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that fine and imprisonment if both of the following conditions are met:
(A) Both the pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person and the unexpended ammunition capable of being discharged from that firearm are either in the immediate possession of the person or readily accessible to that person, or the pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person is loaded as defined in subdivision (g) of Section 12031.
(B) The person is not listed with the Department of Justice pursuant to paragraph (1) of subdivision (c) of Section 11106, as the registered owner of that pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.
(7) In all cases other than those specified in paragraphs (1) to (6) inclusive, by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year, by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine.

Penal Code 12031
(a)(1) A person is guilty of carrying a loaded firearm when he or she carries a loaded firearm on his or her person or in a vehicle while in any public place or on any public street in an incorporated city or in any public place or on any public street in a prohibited area of unincorporated territory.
(2) Carrying a loaded firearm in violation of this section is punishable, as follows:
(F) Where the person is not listed with the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 11106, as the registered owner of the pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person, by imprisonment in the state prison, or by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year, or by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or both that fine and imprisonment.
(G) In all cases other than those specified in subparagraphs (A) to (F), inclusive, as a misdemeanor, punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year, by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine.

[iareConfusE]

Sigh, these rules are just ridiculous.

[SJgunguy24]

Sigh, these rules are just ridiculous.

They are, but what do you do? Hope that Mr. Bad dude won't pull the trigger or have a say in whether you go home or not.
I carry at work, I love my kids to Damn much to let some POS take me out.

[hefedehefe]

So you are allowed to carry concealed if the owner of the company allows you too?

[thrillhouse700]

Just open the register and give him all the money, show him where the safe is and open it up, tell him where all the valuables are and which snack foods are the best. Hopefully you get to live. The law only punishes the law abiding.

[Librarian]

So you are allowed to carry concealed if the owner of the company allows you too?

That's not clear.

"Have access to" is pretty clear. I think OPEN carry is covered.

For concealed, CCW or be the owner is the way it seems to me.

[odysseus]

That's not clear.

"Have access to" is pretty clear. I think OPEN carry is covered.

For concealed, CCW or be the owner is the way it seems to me.

Why? You are saying if you worked for someone and had express permission by them to carry loaded on the premises (think gunstore, jewelry store) you are at legal risk to carry that concealed in the business premises? I am not saying you are wrong, but wondering about how you come to that conclusion.

[shovel88ci]

If your boss says it's ok to carry concealed at work then it is ok. It is private property and you have permission from the owner or person who is renting the property. Gun stores employees do it all the time.