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  • #16
    Eljay
    Veteran Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 4985

    Call the police as it's happening and tell them it's happening *right now*. I suppose you could always politely ask the dispatcher if you should pull your gun on them if you want to get their attention but it might not be the kind of attention you want!

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    • #17
      Eljay
      Veteran Member
      • Oct 2005
      • 4985

      Originally posted by gra4er
      fire a warning shot to scare away
      The problem there is that even if there's no kind of attempted murder charge there's always "discharging a firearm in city limits" charge which is usually surprisingly serious.

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      • #18
        Etihtsarom
        Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 297

        You'd get a ticket for firing into the air. Or, likely, a fine for firing in the direction of the burglar.
        But I'd be interested to know, you should have the right to brandish your weapon and be ready for a defensive situation in this case right?

        What does the state expect you to do? stand there holding your gun while the unarmed burglar hops on your bike and ride away?

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        • #19
          Grumpyoldretiredcop
          Calguns Addict
          • Sep 2008
          • 6437

          Originally posted by Uriah02
          This is were it gets interesting from my understanding of the PC. As it is very clear we can only use deadly force when we feel our lives are in danger, I don't have the link handy but I also remember that PC allows us to use a weapon to stop a felony...
          Penal Code Section 197 outlines the conditions commonly referred to as "justifiable homicide" by persons other than peace officers. Remember that there is case law that modifies this code, especially subsection 4. You'll have to do your own research on that.

          197. Homicide is also justifiable when committed by any person in
          any of the following cases:
          1. When resisting any attempt to murder any person, or to commit a
          felony, or to do some great bodily injury upon any person; or,
          2. When committed in defense of habitation, property, or person,
          against one who manifestly intends or endeavors, by violence or
          surprise, to commit a felony, or against one who manifestly intends
          and endeavors, in a violent, riotous or tumultuous manner, to enter
          the habitation of another for the purpose of offering violence to any
          person therein; or,
          3. When committed in the lawful defense of such person, or of a
          wife or husband, parent, child, master, mistress, or servant of such
          person, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design to
          commit a felony or to do some great bodily injury, and imminent
          danger of such design being accomplished; but such person, or the
          person in whose behalf the defense was made, if he was the assailant
          or engaged in mutual combat, must really and in good faith have
          endeavored to decline any further struggle before the homicide was
          committed; or,
          4. When necessarily committed in attempting, by lawful ways and
          means, to apprehend any person for any felony committed, or in
          lawfully suppressing any riot, or in lawfully keeping and preserving
          the peace.
          I'm retired. That's right, retired. I don't want to hear about the cop who stopped you today or how you didn't think you should get a ticket. That just makes me grumpy!

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          • #20
            amd64
            Senior Member
            • May 2005
            • 1217

            Originally posted by Etihtsarom
            What does the state expect you to do? stand there holding your gun while the unarmed burglar hops on your bike and ride away?
            Pretty much. Don't even show your gun, you might get charged for brandishing and scaring the poor thief. Being a thief is a lucrative profession in California; so many laws protect them. Maybe one day thieves will even be added to the protected species list.
            Last edited by amd64; 01-16-2011, 6:00 PM.

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            • #21
              Pred
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2010
              • 995

              Originally posted by amd64
              Pretty much. Don't even show your gun, you might get charged for brandishing and scaring the poor thief.
              Yes the robbers and thieves get all the rights....
              sigpicCalguns is our safespace

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              • #22
                RTE
                Senior Member
                • May 2009
                • 1948

                robbers and thieves have the right to salt rock in a 12ga.

                Generally not worth killing over but peppering a perp ?

                If it was a horse or livestock......Does it still call for a rope ?

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                • #23
                  sportbiker929
                  Junior Member
                  • Oct 2010
                  • 47

                  Originally posted by 1lostinspace
                  get a dog ( German Shepherd)
                  and a dog door

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                  • #24
                    GettoPhilosopher
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 1814

                    Originally posted by amd64
                    Pretty much. Don't even show your gun, you might get charged for brandishing and scaring the poor thief. Being a thief is a lucrative profession in California; so many laws protect them. Maybe one day thieves will even be added to the protected species list.
                    Can I get some more confirmation as to this? I mean, if you heard noise in your back yard, it's perfectly legal to go out there with a loaded gun. I wouldn't point a loaded weapon at a guy unless I was about to fire (that just seems good gun safety practice), but if someone came into my yard late at night and was making a ruckus, I wouldn't be able to know if they were a threat or not, thus I"d be carrying (probably a long gun on a sling). That wouldn't be brandishing, right?

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                    • #25
                      415dog!
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 569

                      Originally posted by gra4er
                      fire a warning shot to scare away

                      ...also a crime
                      ten-8

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                      • #26
                        415dog!
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 569

                        Originally posted by amd64
                        Pretty much. Don't even show your gun, you might get charged for brandishing and scaring the poor thief. Being a thief is a lucrative profession in California; so many laws protect them. Maybe one day thieves will even be added to the protected species list.
                        ...depends, in CA 417PC, is a misd. the suspect would have to place you under private person's arrest and the police officer would need to accept that arrest.
                        ten-8

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                        • #27
                          magsnubby
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 669

                          This:

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                          • #28
                            Jake71
                            Veteran Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 3237

                            Anything outside, which we have nothing stored outside, is not any of my concern.

                            If someone is on the inside of the house/garage (attached to house), then as far as I'm concerned they are hostile and will be dealt with extreme prejudice (sp?). I also have no plans on stopping until they are no longer moving.
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                            • #29
                              Lone_Gunman
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 8396

                              Turn on the lights, hit the panic alarm on your car and call the cops. Even in the back yard the combo of the lights and the car alarm should scare 'em off. Grab your home defense weapon and watch the entry points of your home. No property is worth you going to prison on a manslaughter rap.

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                              • #30
                                ConfucianScholar
                                Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 368

                                If I see them stealing my dirt bike, I will confront them. If they are armed, I am armed and my life is in danger so I will shoot them. If they are not armed I will hold them until police arrives. Nobody said you HAVE to shoot someone if you pulled your gun out.

                                If they chose to run even as they are being aimed at, I don't think there is anything I could do. They'll just get away. And I'll report to police what happened.
                                Things are a lot more like they used to be than they are now...

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