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  • swat
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2010
    • 643

    How do we prevent or stop people like Jared Loughner?

    How do we prevent or stop people like Jared Lougner?

    Any Suggestions???
  • #2
    Nachoman
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2009
    • 1138

    You can't stop "crazy".

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    • #3
      sd_shooter
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Dec 2008
      • 13021

      We should go back to public hangings...

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      • #4
        ocspeedracer
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2008
        • 1147

        Originally posted by sd_shooter
        We should go back to public hangings...
        I like that, or just have them shot right away after something like what happened.

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        • #5
          bjl333
          C3 Contributor
          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Dec 2009
          • 7010

          Originally posted by sd_shooter
          We should go back to public hangings...
          Then the crazy people will want to do something so they can have their moment of fame !!!
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          • #6
            Untamed1972
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Mar 2009
            • 17579

            Originally posted by swat
            How do we prevent or stop people like Jared Lougner?

            Any Suggestions???

            I can think of a few ways:

            1) Good sight alignment, sight picture and trigger control.

            2) Sometimes there are people around these individuals, friends and family members that get a sense that something is not right with this person they know, but they play it off, diminish it, are in denial about it. It takes a strong person to look at someone they know and say something to them, or if need be other proper authorities and express a concern that this person may be a threat to themselves or others.

            The problem is that oftentimes there is little the authorities can do if the person has not made any overt threats or actions yet.

            3) It may sound cliche' here on this MB, but respecting citizens' "right to immediate armed personal defense in case of confrontation", which by extention protects others around them, when someone like this goes off, so that the threat can be immediately neutralized.

            4) What must be remembered is that this incident is not about guns, it's about mentally ill people. If he did not have a gun it could have just as easily been a car, or baseball bat, or a knife or an other number of readily available tools that he chose to use. You can't legislate a ban on mental illness.
            "Freedom begins with an act of defiance"

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            "..the mind is the weapon and the hand only its extention. Discipline your mind!" Master Hao, Chenrezi monastery, Valley of the Sun

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            • #7
              MSL209
              Member
              • Oct 2007
              • 154

              You stop people like Laughner with responsible armed citizens that can quickly and safely make center mass hits in an emergency.
              The laws that forbid the carrying of arms, disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants. They serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. - Thomas Jefferson

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              • #8
                AAShooter
                CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                CGN Contributor
                • May 2010
                • 7188

                We, as a society, take our personal protection seriously. This is how situations like this get stopped. Because of our relatively safe environment, many people walk around completely oblivious to the fact that there exist crazy/mean/evil people intent on doing harm to others. In most cases, they are fine and luckily avoid problems. However, they remain completely unprepared to recognize threats and respond to them. Further, they have very little situational awareness to even look for them.

                As long as the society completely outsources their personal protection to the "men in blue" and don't take steps to be prepared to defend themselves, these situations will continue. The best I can tell, this was no trained gunmen . . . just one that took advantage of the element of surprise on an unsuspecting set of victims.
                Last edited by AAShooter; 01-10-2011, 9:30 AM.

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                • #9
                  incredablehefey
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 1853

                  You cant, that is what everyone needs to come to realize. The media will never admit it, because that is not in there best interest. The politicians will never admit it because it helps them pass laws that otherwise wouldn't.

                  The sad simple truth is that if a person wants to do harm they will no matter what weapons they have at there disposal. Do you honestly think if someone drove a car at high speed through the same crowd there would have been less fatalities? I dont, in fact I think the tole would have been much worse but it would have gotten less publicity! figure that one out

                  just my opinion, dont string me up please
                  "The need in public and private life is common sense, decency, courage." - President Roosevelt

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                  • #10
                    Nachoman
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 1138

                    Originally posted by MSL209
                    You stop people like Laughner with responsible armed citizens that can quickly and safely make center mass hits in an emergency.
                    Actually even that won't stop folks like Laughner, if someone is dedicated enough, there's not much even an armed person can do about it unless they know about it beforehand. Ultimately you need armed or unarmed people willing to step up and stop a threat. Seems like folks in AZ did that, the first people who jumped him were unarmed and some had been hit by the gunfire.

                    The only way to stop crazy folks lies with their friends and family. They are the only folks who have clues before an incident occurs.

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                    • #11
                      nick
                      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 19143

                      We obviously can't 100% prevent it. What we can do is give the public the means to stop it, and to minimize the damage. This will also work towards prevention, as not having a place with guaranteed disarmed potential victims might stop those contemplating a crime who haven't completely abandoned their own life. For the rest, well, getting shot before getting their fame might be a deterrent, too. Not sensationalizing such things would probably do some good, as well, but you can't prevent that any more than you can prevent craziness.
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                      • #12
                        meaty-btz
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 8980

                        How do you Stop a Crazy with a gun:
                        2 in the chest, 1 in the head.

                        There will always be those who do wrong among us, we cannot stop it with laws, but we can with lead.
                        ...but their exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level, and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom.

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                        • #13
                          joefreas
                          • Jan 2010
                          • 2421

                          Unpreventable. Is that a word? Take a look inside prisons. They are confined and outside items are prohibited from entering but still weapons are constructed and murders occur. If they can't stop murders in prison what makes anyone think they can stop them in public simply by passing laws. Never going to happen. Criminals will always be armed. If he didn't use a gun it would have been a bomb, knife, sword, car, ect..
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                          • #14
                            ConcernedCitizen
                            Junior Member
                            • May 2009
                            • 72

                            I'm surprised that the Tucson PD didn't have even one LEO for this event. At the very least, they should have expected a heckler, and justified the presence of a LEO on that basis alone. This certainly would have contained the situation much more quickly.

                            Can anyone verify that there were no LEOs present?
                            Most politicians, lacking honor, are likewise unburdened by shame.

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                            • #15
                              CSDGuy
                              Veteran Member
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 3763

                              Unfortunately, we often can't stop people like him before they cause injury and death. To do so, we'd have to suspend critical portions of our civil rights for ALL of us just to catch a few nutcases. That being said, often people that are whack-jobs show signs of it before things go bad, but those signs are often dismissed or ignored and if examined by a psych doc, they're not a danger to themselves or others at that point, so they can't be reported to Law Enforcement as such, to be put on the prohibited person's list. Never mind that people can acquire firearms anyway...

                              What we need is people willing to be the sheepdog. There were a few that day. We, the people, may not be able to prevent stuff like this from happening, but we can keep the cost in lives and injuries to a minimum by being the sheepdog and being ready to do something to stop the threats when they emerge.

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