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  • negolien
    Veteran Member
    • Sep 2010
    • 4829

    trying to skirt the bullet button

    Hey all,

    Sorry if this is in the wrong place but isn't this illegal? Hope I don't get in trouble because of company name and there link just happened to be where i saw it no bad press or intentions there.

    "Men sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

    George Orwell

    http://www.AnySoldier.com
  • #2
    five.five-six
    CGN Contributor
    • May 2006
    • 34855

    ^ sure it's 100% legal





























    in 47 states, california just does not happen to be one of them

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    • #3
      AndrewMendez
      C3 Leader
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Jan 2009
      • 6777

      The CA DOJ has NOT deemed them illegal, as a matter a fact, their are several similar items that work the same way. What the issue is, is it is possible to stay inside the BB, making it function as a detachable magazine. With that being said, the Higher Ups with the CalGuns Foundation advise not to use them inside California.
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      • #4
        negolien
        Veteran Member
        • Sep 2010
        • 4829

        lol k thanks appreciate it. gonna see if places like midway and bass pro sells em just because I'am curious now.
        "Men sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

        George Orwell

        http://www.AnySoldier.com

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        • #5
          wildhawker
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Nov 2008
          • 14150

          Originally posted by ANDREWMENDEZ
          The CA DOJ has NOT deemed them illegal, as a matter a fact, their are several similar items that work the same way. What the issue is, is it is possible to stay inside the BB, making it function as a detachable magazine. With that being said, the Higher Ups with the CalGuns Foundation advise not to use them inside California.
          Just to be clear, DOJ will not be the issue - the DA who prosecutes you for an illegal AW will be.

          Do not use these in California.
          Brandon Combs

          I do not read private messages, and my inbox is usually full. If you need to reach me, please email me instead.

          My comments are not the official position or a statement of any organization unless stated otherwise. My comments are not legal advice; if you want or need legal advice, hire a lawyer.

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          • #6
            Turbinator
            Administrator
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Oct 2005
            • 11934

            You *could* use that button on a featureless build...

            Turby

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            • #7
              PsychGuy274
              Veteran Member
              • May 2010
              • 4289

              California residents usually buy them for when they take their compliant rifles out of state to go shooting.

              Keep in mind that the 'bullet button' is a California assault weapons thing and in California there is no constructive possession for assault weapons. So just owning one isn't a problem. Federal laws still apply obviously.
              I am a law enforcement officer in the state of Colorado. Nothing I post is legal advice of any kind.

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              • #8
                tenpercentfirearms
                Vendor/Retailer
                • Apr 2005
                • 13007

                Legal on a featureless semi-automatic centerfire rifle, on a rimfire, or out of state.

                Illegal to use as a tool if the magnet works on a fixed magazine centerfire rifle.

                Note they don't inform you of this on the website. Bad form.
                www.tenpercentfirearms.com was open from 2005 until 2018. I now own Westside Arms.

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                • #9
                  negolien
                  Veteran Member
                  • Sep 2010
                  • 4829

                  Guess this one gets chalked up to knowing what's legel before you buy something. The cops still don't accept the "I didn't realize it was illegal" defense yet eh? lol
                  "Men sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

                  George Orwell

                  http://www.AnySoldier.com

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                  • #10
                    CHS
                    Moderator Emeritus
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 11338

                    There's a magnet in the tip which will attach this to your BB, making a normal magazine release. The magnet makes it part of the gun, and therefore absolutely no different legally than just having a regular magazine release installed.

                    On a semi-auto centerfire rifle with features, you will have manufactured an AW as soon as you attach this tool.

                    Perfectly legal to install on a gun with features AFTER you drop in a .22 conversion kit though.
                    Please read the Calguns Wiki
                    Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.
                    --Cesare, Marquis of Beccaria, "On Crimes and Punishment"

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                    • #11
                      leelaw
                      Junior Member
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 10445

                      Originally posted by ANDREWMENDEZ
                      The CA DOJ has NOT deemed them illegal, as a matter a fact, their are several similar items that work the same way. What the issue is, is it is possible to stay inside the BB, making it function as a detachable magazine. With that being said, the Higher Ups with the CalGuns Foundation advise not to use them inside California.
                      No CA DOJ opinion is needed. By a plain reading of the penal code, and the CCR concerning what constitutes a fixed magazine, the use of that device on a centerfire, semi-automatic OLL with any prohibited features is unlawful.

                      It's not a matter of "advisements" - it's illegal.

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                      • #12
                        B Strong
                        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                        CGN Contributor
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 6367

                        It's a felony bust waiting to happen if you have it on a featured rifle w/BB in California.
                        The way some gunshop clerks spout off, you'd think that they invented gunpowder and the repeating rifle, and sat on the Supreme Court as well.
                        ___________________________________________
                        "An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it."
                        - Jeff Cooper

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                        • #13
                          iareConfusE
                          Veteran Member
                          • Jan 2010
                          • 4464

                          I figure it's usually used for Californians who bring their AR's out of state who don't want to deal with removing the bullet button or screwing it in.

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                          • #14
                            Synergy
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • May 2008
                            • 14303

                            Originally posted by iareConfusE
                            I figure it's usually used for Californians who bring their AR's out of state who don't want to deal with removing the bullet button or screwing it in.
                            Or when the SHTF and the zombies come!
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                            • #15
                              iareConfusE
                              Veteran Member
                              • Jan 2010
                              • 4464

                              Originally posted by Synergy
                              Or when the SHTF and the zombies come!
                              Oh but that reason is always implied

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