trying to skirt the bullet button

[negolien]

Hey all,

Sorry if this is in the wrong place but isn't this illegal? Hope I don't get in trouble because of company name and there link just happened to be where i saw it no bad press or intentions there.

http://tdsguns.com/store/product/8077/Phase-5-Ex-mag-release-tool-bk/

[five.five-six]

^ sure it's 100% legal





























in 47 states, california just does not happen to be one of them

[AndrewMendez]

The CA DOJ has NOT deemed them illegal, as a matter a fact, their are several similar items that work the same way. What the issue is, is it is possible to stay inside the BB, making it function as a detachable magazine. With that being said, the Higher Ups with the CalGuns Foundation advise not to use them inside California.

[negolien]

lol k thanks appreciate it. gonna see if places like midway and bass pro sells em just because I'am curious now.

[wildhawker]

The CA DOJ has NOT deemed them illegal, as a matter a fact, their are several similar items that work the same way. What the issue is, is it is possible to stay inside the BB, making it function as a detachable magazine. With that being said, the Higher Ups with the CalGuns Foundation advise not to use them inside California.

Just to be clear, DOJ will not be the issue - the DA who prosecutes you for an illegal AW will be.

Do not use these in California.

[Turbinator]

You *could* use that button on a featureless build...

Turby

[PsychGuy274]

California residents usually buy them for when they take their compliant rifles out of state to go shooting.

Keep in mind that the 'bullet button' is a California assault weapons thing and in California there is no constructive possession for assault weapons. So just owning one isn't a problem. Federal laws still apply obviously.

[tenpercentfirearms]

Legal on a featureless semi-automatic centerfire rifle, on a rimfire, or out of state.

Illegal to use as a tool if the magnet works on a fixed magazine centerfire rifle.

Note they don't inform you of this on the website. Bad form.

[negolien]

Guess this one gets chalked up to knowing what's legel before you buy something. The cops still don't accept the "I didn't realize it was illegal" defense yet eh? lol

[CHS]

There's a magnet in the tip which will attach this to your BB, making a normal magazine release. The magnet makes it part of the gun, and therefore absolutely no different legally than just having a regular magazine release installed.

On a semi-auto centerfire rifle with features, you will have manufactured an AW as soon as you attach this tool.

Perfectly legal to install on a gun with features AFTER you drop in a .22 conversion kit though.

[leelaw]

The CA DOJ has NOT deemed them illegal, as a matter a fact, their are several similar items that work the same way. What the issue is, is it is possible to stay inside the BB, making it function as a detachable magazine. With that being said, the Higher Ups with the CalGuns Foundation advise not to use them inside California.

No CA DOJ opinion is needed. By a plain reading of the penal code, and the CCR concerning what constitutes a fixed magazine, the use of that device on a centerfire, semi-automatic OLL with any prohibited features is unlawful.

It's not a matter of "advisements" - it's illegal.

[B Strong]

It's a felony bust waiting to happen if you have it on a featured rifle w/BB in California.

[iareConfusE]

I figure it's usually used for Californians who bring their AR's out of state who don't want to deal with removing the bullet button or screwing it in.

[Synergy]

I figure it's usually used for Californians who bring their AR's out of state who don't want to deal with removing the bullet button or screwing it in.

Or when the SHTF and the zombies come!

[iareConfusE]

Or when the SHTF and the zombies come!

Oh but that reason is always implied