PPT dealer fee is $10

[Librarian]

What about out of states PPT transfers, is it still 25 for the dros and 10 for the transfer. I have been quoted $60 to $100 per transfer. We are talking guns on the CA safe gun lists.

The problem there is that "PPT" is a special thing in CA law, and does not include interstate transfers. As implemented, CA-PPT requires CA ID (or military with PCS orders to CA) from both buyer and seller.

[Corbin Dallas]

It doesn't cost them a dime's worth of electricity to do a PPT and my local FFLs can do one in 10 minutes or less. FFLs are making $10 on every PPT plus the opportunity to impress two customers. It's not like they call extra employees in for overtime to do it, the employees are usually standing around anyway.

Really? Why not become a FFL and take all this business.

[Fjold]

Really? Why not become a FFL and take all this business.

Because I don't live in their areas. There are at least 4 FFL's in my area that are customer service oriented, charge $35 for a PPT and are happy to do it. They know that doing stuff like this is good for business and they make fiercely loyal customers doing it.

[pdq_wizzard]

On the subject of PPTs, can PPTs be charged state tax as well? Turners in Redondo taxed my last PPT

I don't see how, it's a service, not a product, but this is Cal

[tenpercentfirearms]

If anyone wonders why FFLs really don't like to hang out on Calguns, this thread is a good example. The man explains the mistake and puts his money where his mouth is. Yet people still give him hell over it.

Now you know what some dealers say the big old F U to Calguns.

The law is clear. $35 max. No excuses. In this case, no one was charged $35 for a PPT. A mistake was made over the phone and has since been corrected. Communication errors occur. No legal error occurred, but show me a dealer that makes no mistakes and I will produce your missing unicorn.

[rockman]

The problem there is that "PPT" is a special thing in CA law, and does not include interstate transfers. As implemented, CA-PPT requires CA ID (or military with PCS orders to CA) from both buyer and seller.

Thanks for clearing that up for me, I wasn't sure about out of state purchases. I have made a few outstate buys as it is quite a bit cheaper if you shop around, and no sales tax.

[randy]

A guy calls up a friend of mine that is an FFL wanting to do a PPT. My friend tells him DROS is 35 bucks and 25 for a HSC card if you don't have one. Bring in 60 bucks and you're gtg. The guy didn't understand HSC and called the DOJ told them this guy wanted to charge him 60 bucks. The DOJ came out to inspect and gave my buddy a chewing out. He had to lead the DOJ through the math to get them to back off. All because the guy on the other end of the phone didn't know and couldn't grasp about HSC and fees.

[Hopalong]

A guy calls up a friend of mine that is an FFL wanting to do a PPT. My friend tells him DROS is 35 bucks and 25 for a HSC card if you don't have one. Bring in 60 bucks and you're gtg. The guy didn't understand HSC and called the DOJ told them this guy wanted to charge him 60 bucks. The DOJ came out to inspect and gave my buddy a chewing out. He had to lead the DOJ through the math to get them to back off. All because the guy on the other end of the phone didn't know and couldn't grasp about HSC and fees.

Stuff like this pisses me off.

First, the gun expert that calls the shop doesn't know as much as he thinks he does.

Second, even if it were true that the FFL was overcharging, take your business elsewhere. To me, it's over dramatic to "call the authorities" over something like this. If this shop owner overcharges for his product or services, market influences will put him out of business eventually.

Third, the shop owner gets hassled for nothing.

Fourth, and most important, does this gov't bureaucrat really need to go out to the shop, wouldn't a phone call suffice and save us taxpayers some money?

Lastly, for everyone who wants to flame me saying, "FFls who overcharge are breaking the law", do you also report j walking and littering violations as well?

Maybe I'm just lucky I've got an extra 15 or 20 bucks that I don't mind giving to the local gun shop owner for the convenience of doing business there, if I had to.

Seems like a lot of drama to me.

[stix213]

if anyone can bring me an invoice showing that you were charged more than $35 for a ppt at our store I will give you $250.

1) Scanning in old invoice...
2) launching photoshop...
3) ....
4) Profit!



In all seriousness, its good to see an FFL on here standing up for themselves, and what is right.

[Khram]

JW arms in riverside off the 215 in Colton I believe has been charging illegal amounts for ppt's for a very long time at CA gun shows. Not sure if you walk in store if that is also the case.

I'm tempted to say something to DOJ but I can't bring myself to be a rat for them. I just take my business elsewhere.

[Bird of Fire]

I got a receipt somewhere for a recent PPT I did with a calgunner at the Turners in San Bernardino for 47 and change I think.

I drove over an hour to get there and the shotgun was a really good price so I couldn't back down, but it's just unfair when the FFL has you by the short and curlies.

[JagerTroop]

I'm sure everyone knows about The Gun Room (elk grove). They charge $36.

Explain to me, how does that 1 dollar make a difference to them? It's almost like they're breaking the law, just to break it.

To all dealers that overcharge/break the law. If you can't handle the workload and responsibilities of being an FFL, then quit. There are plenty of law abiding dealers out there that work their ***es off to dot the I's and cross the T's.
Maybe I'm just a jerk, but I'll rat out every single dealer that overcharges... I don't care.

[ke6guj]

I got a receipt somewhere for a recent PPT I did with a calgunner at the Turners in San Bernardino for 47 and change I think.

really? I've always seen Turner's as being up to speed on the $35 limit. Was there perhaps a firearms lock included in on that receipt?

[Bird of Fire]

really? I've always seen Turner's as being up to speed on the $35 limit. Was there perhaps a firearms lock included in on that receipt?

Absolutely not. Signed a safe affidavit. Was a PPT and nothing more. I think they charged me 10 bucks for storage or something to that effect. I'll have to go look and see the details.

[Rob454]

How hard is it for FFLs to read PC 12082? $10 is the maximum dealer fee on face to face transfers between private parties. Yet, FFLs keep violating this.

This even makes it simpler.

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/infobuls/0101.pdf

You want names?

Goleta Valley Gun in Goleta charges $47 per FTF transfer. I have receipts. I was in need so went ahead with the transfer, but decided not to do anything about it, because a crappy FFL is also a FFL.

Island View Enterprises in Ventura quoted me $35 on top of a $25 DROS fee (yes, I verified, for FTF transfers, asked him twice).

So if you are willing to pay why are you complaining? Personally I would report them to the DOJ. Never ceases to amaze me how people get upset over being overcharged ( illegally if I may say so) yet its 'ok" cause they are the only game in town. Sounds to me like those guys need some competition, you simply go somewhere else or report them to the right authorities.

I would pay 10, even 20 bucks to support them if they say "Hey buddy, look, we don't make a lot of money. The state fee is too low for us to stay in business." I take issue when they feel entitled to charge whatever. It is the law, dammit!

YOU may be willing to pay more for a state governed fee but am not. Ill go buy some things locally but not always.
lets face it if it takes you more than 15 minutes to do a PPT you either need more training or more practice. Either way Its not my problem. You don't like the terms the state put on your FFL then go petition to change it, get out of the gun business, or live with it. And before we all go to the " we are not making money off PPT" battle cry, The customer is not the one that set those prices. besides if the PPT was not regulated to a point Im sure FFLs would crank up the fees. Im willing to bet a PPT would run 50-100$ if PPTs were not regulated. All for 10-15 minutes worth of work

How about be creative on how to KEEP that guy that walked in that just sold his gun. Instead of being grumpy pants and pissing the guy off. As a matter of fact why not try to get one guy to spend the cash he just got and the other guy to buy accessories for the gun he just purchased. Get them to spend his money in your shop. Most people have no idea how to sell anything anymore. Salesmen are no longer salesmen they are "the guy that works behind the counter". I had a buddy of mine who could literally sell you the shirt off your back. He would laugh at so called salesmen today.

As a business owner EVERY time you have someone walk in the shop you can do two things. You can make them a customer or alienate them. That's up to you. yes I know you will have some idiot customers. Goes with the territory.

I have never been overcharged for a transfer, but if someone were to try I would make sure they knew about it right then and there. I wouldn't wait till I got home and got worked up over it. I rather let them right then that they are doing something wrong AND illegal.

Also from what i am reading this was a quoted price over the phone not a actual charge? As long as you did not get charged those illegal prices who cares what they say over the phone? No wonder FFLs love dealing with amateur customer lawyers. its about as bad as dealing with Amateur gun salesmen.