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  • dad1
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2010
    • 870

    ATF agent charged with murder

    Washington (CNN) -- Is Will Clark a villain or a hero?

    Was the off-duty federal agent brave and chivalrous, or did he overreact when he intervened in a heated domestic argument and shot a man five times, killing him?

    A U.S. Virgin Islands jury this week will hear the case for and against Clark, a nine-year veteran of the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, now charged with second degree murder.

    The prosecution of Special Agent William G. Clark for the 2008 shooting death of Marcus Sukow has enraged many federal law enforcement officers, who say Clark was heroically coming to the defense of a battered woman.

    Federal authorities were so incensed by the Virgin Island's prosecution of Clark -- and so concerned other federal agents could similarly be prosecuted -- that they removed all ATF agents from the Virgin Islands in 2008, a policy that continues today, the agency said.

    The U.S. Virgin Islands is an unincorporated territory of the United States, and as such has a unique legal relationship with the federal government.

    While the broad outline of the shooting is undisputed, two government investigations came to starkly different conclusions.

    A federal government multi-agency investigation of the 2008 incident unanimously concluded the shooting was justified. The ATF even returned Clark's gun and badge and put him back to work.

    But a Virgin Islands Police Department investigation prompted prosecutors to charge Clark with second degree murder.

    The incident occurred the morning of Sunday, September 7, 2008, outside a St. Thomas condo, where all of the main participants were neighbors.

    According to a police affidavit, Clark was leaving his condo when he encountered Sukow and his girlfriend, Marguerite Duncan. They had been drinking and were having a "disagreement." Duncan asked Clark for a ride to the guard gate and got in Clark's sports utility vehicle.

    Sukow approached Clark, who was sitting in the car with the driver's door open. One witness said he saw Sukow striking the driver's door with his flashlight, and saw Clark draw his weapon and tell Sukow to step back.

    "Mr. Sukow stood there with his hands at his side when William Clarke [sic] discharged his firearm at him several times," the affidavit reads.

    Local prosecutors evidently were heavily influenced by two facts: First, the deceased, Marcus Sukow, was armed only with a flashlight; second, Clark shot him five times.

    "These facts are undisputed and were the findings of the local police investigation," Gov. John de Jongh Jr. wrote in a letter justifying the prosecution.

    But a defense lawyer says the local police department's affidavit is inaccurate and its investigation grossly incomplete.

    Attorney Mark Schamel said Sukow weighed 260 pounds, had a history of violent assaults, and was acting violently at the time of the incident.

    When Clark first encountered the fighting couple, Sukow was naked, intoxicated and shouting threats at his girlfriend and racial slurs at a neighbor who had come out during the commotion.

    At one point, Sukow went into his condo and returned wearing gym shorts, and then pelted his girlfriend's car with landscaping stones.

    After Duncan sought refuge in Clark's car, Sukow charged at Clark's open driver door, the flashlight -- a heavy-duty, 18-inch metal one -- raised "like a tomahawk," poised to strike Clark, Schamel said.

    Clark fired rapidly, as he was trained, Schamel said.

    Tests later showed that Sukow had a blood-alcohol content of 0.29 percent, and had barbiturates and morphine in his blood, the defense lawyer said.

    Schamel said the former head trainer for the Virgin Islands Police Department academy will testify as an expert witness that the shooting was justified.

    Schamel said he also has subpoenaed the Virgin Islands' governor and first lady to testify, because Duncan called them shortly after the shooting. He declined to say what he expected them to say.

    On Monday, ATF Deputy Director Kenneth Melson reiterated the agency's support for Clark.

    "Special Agent Clark intervened in a domestic dispute in order to protect a woman that was endangered by her boyfriend. His actions were necessary to save a woman's life and his own life," Melson said. "The ATF family supports Special Agent Clark and seeks an immediate, non-criminal resolution in this matter."

    Clark's attorney fought to have the case transferred to federal court, saying Clark was acting as a federal agent and deserved federal protections. But a district court judge ruled against the motion, and a federal court has declined to halt the trial.

    "William Clark is a federal ATF agent who does not have peace officer status under Virgin Islands law and therefore had no authority to enforce law including the domestic violence statutes," said Sara Lezama, a spokeswoman for the Virgin Islands Department of Justice.

    As a private citizen, Clark was authorized to carry a gun and use reasonable force to defend himself and others, Lezama said. But Sukow "did not inflict bodily harm on anyone the morning he was shot," she said.

    "That's the government's general position in this case. We believe that he used excessive force instead of reasonable force in this matter," Lezama said.

    Clark's advocates say the case has far-reaching ramifications.

    "It is well recognized that federal law enforcement officers are immune from state criminal liability for actions that are taken within the scope of their employment as federal officers," Sen. Charles Schumer, D-New York, wrote in a letter to Gov. de Jongh. "That principle... applies with equal force in United States territories."

    The Clark prosecution "has the potential to create a chilling effect on the operation of federal law enforcement throughout the United States' territories," Schumer wrote.

    "The American law enforcement community is outraged that the USVI prosecutor seems more intent on punishing American cops than woman beaters," Jon Adler, president of the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association, said in a written statement. Adler and others are calling for an investigation into the prosecution, saying it is in retaliation for federal corruption investigation in the Virgin Islands.

    The spokeswoman for the Virgin Islands Department of Justice said a jury will determine the appropriateness of the shooting. That jury was being selected Monday, and the trial is expected to last seven days, she said.



    I say self defense!
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  • #2
    freespool
    Member
    • Oct 2009
    • 362

    If the guy's big and riled up and you're LE, shoot first so you can't get hurt, then cite your training in threat neutralization.

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    • #3
      NiteQwill
      Calguns Addict
      • Dec 2007
      • 6368

      Sounds like he shot to stop the threat. Sounds good to me.

      The fate of the wounded rest in the hands of the ones who apply the first dressing.

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      • #4
        meaty-btz
        Calguns Addict
        • Sep 2010
        • 8980

        From what was posted, he was more than just a threat. He was jacked up on drugs, any LEO will tell you that can drive people to doing great harm and being a great (deadly) threat (force) even if armed with only a metal flashlight.

        I would say, from what was listed: Justified.
        ...but their exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level, and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom.

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        • #5
          JeffM
          Veteran Member
          • Sep 2007
          • 4359

          Sounds like a good shoot.

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          • #6
            k1dude
            I need a LIFE!!
            • May 2009
            • 15691

            As a private citizen, Clark was authorized to carry a gun and use reasonable force to defend himself and others, Lezama said. But Sukow "did not inflict bodily harm on anyone the morning he was shot,"
            So let me understand the position of the Virgin Islands DOJ: Clark should have allowed Sukow, a huge 260 pound drugged up violent repeat offender, to crush his skull with an 18" metal baton before opening fire. That is - if Clark had a head left. So I guess you can only open fire after being killed by a lethal blow first. Hmm. That sounds logical to me.
            "Show me a young conservative and I'll show you a man without a heart. Show me an old liberal and I'll show you a man without a brain." - Sir Winston Churchill

            "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!" - Senator Barry Goldwater

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            • #7
              nagorb
              Veteran Member
              • Jul 2008
              • 4355

              This is the part that confuses me,

              "Mr. Sukow stood there with his hands at his side when William Clarke [sic] discharged his firearm at him several times," the affidavit reads.

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              • #8
                Nessal
                Banned
                • Jan 2009
                • 2261

                I say good shoot.

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                • #9
                  freespool
                  Member
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 362

                  Originally posted by k1dude
                  So let me understand the position of the Virgin Islands DOJ: Clark should have allowed Sukow, a huge 260 pound drugged up violent repeat offender, to crush his skull with an 18" metal baton before opening fire. That is - if Clark had a head left. So I guess you can only open fire after being killed by a lethal blow first. Hmm. That sounds logical to me.
                  No, you can shoot just if you're worried or the guy has the potential to do harm, so long as he's a low life. And if you're LE, they've got your back (almost) no matter what you did.

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                  • #10
                    RandyD
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 6673

                    This situation, as written, is a clear example that a set of circumstances can be interpreted mulitple ways. Regardless of who is right, the situation is ambigious. Everyone needs to understand that your actions may be interpreted very differently by a prosecutor.
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                    • #11
                      J-cat
                      Calguns Addict
                      • May 2005
                      • 6626

                      Originally posted by nagorb
                      This is the part that confuses me,

                      "Mr. Sukow stood there with his hands at his side when William Clarke [sic] discharged his firearm at him several times," the affidavit reads.
                      The autopsy will show if his flashlight hand was raised or down on his side.

                      Also, I would be interested to know if the ATF agent was screwing the neighbor's GF and if he was the reason the GF and the dead guy were fighting.

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                      • #12
                        MP301
                        Veteran Member
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 4168

                        Well, If I were to speculate with the limited info available, I would say good shoot. Kinda hard get around a drunk and drugged gorilla with a metal tube in his hand. But thats just me....
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                        • #13
                          k1dude
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • May 2009
                          • 15691

                          Originally posted by freespool
                          No, you can shoot just if you're worried or the guy has the potential to do harm, so long as he's a low life. And if you're LE, they've got your back (almost) no matter what you did.
                          That's my point. The VI DOJ is full of BS if it went down like Clark said.

                          I also question the other poster that said the autopsy will show if both hands were at his side or not. How is that possible? I doubt a determination can be made unless one of the 5 bullets hit his arm.

                          It appears the entire case hinges on the testimony of the eyewitness.
                          "Show me a young conservative and I'll show you a man without a heart. Show me an old liberal and I'll show you a man without a brain." - Sir Winston Churchill

                          "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!" - Senator Barry Goldwater

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                          • #14
                            Double_tap
                            Member
                            • Oct 2010
                            • 255

                            I'm curious as to how a FEDERAL agency cleared the agent and then some half *** local DA was allowed to prosecute?

                            also from what i read it sounded like a clean shoot.
                            Blue Blooded Republican Prick.

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                            • #15
                              J-cat
                              Calguns Addict
                              • May 2005
                              • 6626

                              Originally posted by k1dude
                              I also question the other poster that said the autopsy will show if both hands were at his side or not. How is that possible? I doubt a determination can be made unless one of the 5 bullets hit his arm.
                              Why do you doubt?

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