Arsenal, Inc. statement

[C.W.M.V.]

It was exactly that idea that was used on the first non AW AKs that came into this state. Without ideas just like that, there would not be OLLs period!

Oh no I remember those, and they were great...in what 2003? I only meant it in that now the BB is pretty universal, this is a move backwards for most of us.

[Cyc Wid It]

Yes he did. TWICE

and

6 months later, the next annual contribution

Yes, it places him ahead of KAC.

[ZX-10R]

I do not pity CA, this demo happy state voted the people in who made it hard to have some gun makers want to sell to us. Arsenal is our customer so I in my book they are good.

At least they have seen the way. I can a gun maker but it is hard for me to forgive demos.

We are all gun owners. Be happy for their decision.

[thedrickel]

When are they going to put their US FCG back on sale for $13? Otherwise . . . I don't give a **** . . . like I need a $900 saiga . . .

[TNP'R]

Wasn't wanting an arsenal. But I sure as hell don't want one now.Especially when its just a saiga pretty much.

[CSACANNONEER]

Oh no I remember those, and they were great...in what 2003? I only meant it in that now the BB is pretty universal, this is a move backwards for most of us.

I just pointed it out because too many people have no idea how the whole OLL movement started. Or, what the pioneers went through to get their first rifles operating. We need to remember our history! IIRC, it was back in 2003 when I first saw blackrazor's and his better half's OLLs along with a letter he received from DOJ stating that they (stripped) OLLs were not AWs and could be purchased in CA. The first builds were all done with permanently fixed 10 round mags which had to be top fed. Although, back in '01 or '02, I do remember talking with some vendor at the Ventura gun show who was selling 80% AR and M16 receivers, all tooling and any FCG you wanted. He also let me know about his new idea to get around the Federal AW ban. Instead of making something like a FAB10, he had modified a mag release that operated and looked like a modern BB.

I do agree that Century is behind the times but, there are people out there who feel better/safer about owning rifles like these like instead of featureless or BB configurations. At least Century is offering another choice for us. If the market isn't here for their rifle, they will either modernize or step back and give up their share of the California market.

[CALI-gula]

Thats debatable. Its a Saiga, which is good, but nothing arsenal does is outside the abilities of a descent smith with the right tools.

The reason I would not buy their stamped versions; but I can't think of any better milled-versions from anyone else. Arsenal, Inc. simply makes the best milled-AK going for the price, which is to say the best AK going.

It's just unfortunate how they saw CA gunowners as scourge then, but see CA gunowners as their salvation now.

They will live with their convictions, like it or not - long enough for a new generation that wouldn't know any better, to not reach buying age soon enough to rescue them.

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[C.W.M.V.]

The reason I would not buy their stamped versions; but I can't think of any better milled-versions from anyone else. Arsenal, Inc. simply makes the best milled-AK going for the price, which is to say the best AK going.

It's just unfortunate how they saw CA gunowners as scourge then, but see CA gunowners as their salvation now.

They will live with their convictions, like it or not - long enough for a new generation that wouldn't know any better, to not reach buying age soon enough to rescue them.

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I dont think milled are particularly better than stamped. Apparently neither did anyone else (who made them). There are plenty of milled AK's out there that are nice, Yugo and polish come to mind-and they cost 2/3's of an arsenal.
Still not justifying the price, to me anyway.

[CALI-gula]

I dont think milled are particularly better than stamped. Apparently neither did anyone else (who made them). There are plenty of milled AK's out there that are nice, Yugo and polish come to mind-and they cost 2/3's of an arsenal.
Still not justifying the price, to me anyway.

I do, as far as milled are concerned. They did not sell as well on production scale needs, because they are more expensive to make, and those that do buy AKs typically have a mindset about how cheap AKs should cost or how fast they should be made. A stamped-steel AK will suffice for about 99% of most anyone's AK needs. But that 1% extra is what I prefer.

I have 4 milled receiver AKs, one Bulgarian, and the other three from Arsenal - and they are simply better performing and more accurate at longer rnages than any stamped-steel units I have ever come across, including my FEG, AZEX, Robinson Armament VEPR and some "smith-made" examples. They just are. Not sure what more to say.

I don't own any stamped-steel Arsenal, Inc. models - but they looked rather nice of those I saw in person.

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[Jorge]

I will never buy from Arsenal, even if/when I move out of state.

[Shady]

arsenal and there overpriced converted saigas can blow me

[CSACANNONEER]

I dont think milled are particularly better than stamped. Apparently neither did anyone else (who made them). There are plenty of milled AK's out there that are nice, Yugo and polish come to mind-and they cost 2/3's of an arsenal.
Still not justifying the price, to me anyway.

Milled receivers are far better but more expensive and time consuming to manufacture. That's why those who made them changed to stamped receivers.

[santamonica9]

Arsenal guns are OK - not the ultimate AK's some have posted. They are just decked out Saiga's that ANY Cali gun owner can do with out the extra $$ going to them. Especially since they really have had a terrible track record with Cali shooters. I know I called them and asked about parts and such - almost went through with everything until... "Oh your in CA; sorry we dont ship their. you should move out of state." etc. I was shocked they didn't want to help fellow enthusiast become 922 compliant with USA parts - oh well thank God for Tapco & SGM Tactical

I am happy they are turning a new leaf - will I buy a weapon from them, most likely NOT.
Their parts are nice & I have seen them. Their rifles are not much different from any other basic AK decked out from a decent gunsmith.

IMO don't knock them for going after the CA market FINALLY - let the newbs pay the extra ca$h & we get more scary guns in our great state. Dont let these idiot liberals ruin our state anymore, we are all under attack from the current federal & state regimes..... dont think so???? Why didnt B. Hussien O. let those nice Garands back into USA?!?!?

[rojocorsa]

At least now, they realize what a terrible mistake they've made, I guess. IDK

It never made sense to deny people willing to throw money at you in the first place, you know?

[crr2331]

I wholeheartedly agree. I am a CA resident and have been for 10 years, but Arsenal or any other gun manufacturer are NOT the problem. CA is the problem. If people spent as much time *****ing to their city/county/state reps as they do here on Calguns *****ing about these manufacturers, the we might be able to get stuff done in Sacramento.