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[G-dude]

I don't know anything about the case, yet the above attitude and mindset really bugs me. Having loaded firearms and children in the same area is not a crime in CA. If they hurt someone, yeah, that can be a crime, but proximity isn't illegal. Nor should it be!



Please refrain from imparting YOUR "sensibilities" onto others, (especially if you don't even have kids). That's what the "antis" do. Think about it before you spout the "endangerment" BS. Heck, letting your kids ride a bike could be deemed endangerment in some people's book these days.

Yes, I'm a parent. I would completely trust my 8 year old in the same room with a loaded pistol, rifle or shotgun. I would trust her friends too. Why? Because I constantly TEACH them proper behavior. I also keep an eye on what they're up to. There are also boundaries in my house that my kids do not cross and certain places that are off limits (radical concept nowadays).

Guns are no big deal as they get to shoot them. They know what the guns can do and how to use them. Pretty much anything over a .22 they're afraid of due to the noise and recoil (which they've felt)...and that's fine. There's no mystery about pistols, rifles or shotguns and therefore no reason to mess with them...especially when they would bring down a lot of grief upon themselves for doing so.

Responsibility in all aspects of life is TAUGHT thru consistency and repetition.

Please let PARENTS do OUR job and keep YOUR nose (and the government's too) out of what happens inside our own PRIVATE PROPERTY. Thanks.

I completely agree bdg. Maybe I didn't word that correctly. Funny how those attitudes creep in huh.

But I'm in total agreement. I think I clarified more above.

Edit: BTW I don't think I have that mindset. I was just speculating from the point of view of people who DO have that mindset(liek maybe the arresting officers) if that was the case, he wasn't even charged with that.

Thanks for clarifying the law a bit. Makes total sense and I agree.

[JPglee1]

No matter how well you lock up your guns, if you have kids, they WILL get to them when you're not around. It's better to teach them how to handle them safely when they do eventually show them to their friends.
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I disagree... I was raised around guns... They were always around at my mom's house, my grandparents, in-laws, family friends...etc.

I was allowed to shoot anytime I wanted to go shooting. I was taught how to properly handle a gun, and I was instructed to shoot a rabbit early on with a .22LR... This showed me as a little tyke, that guns are REAL. When the rabbit died I realized, guns aren't fake and dont come with a RESET button....

From that point on I always had a love for firearms but I NEVER EVER touched one without an adult to supervise...


My point is, guns weren't "taboo" in my life... They weren't something that was kept from me, so there was no "interest" on my behalf to break the rules and fiddle with them. Because I WAS allowed to play with any of them anytime I asked, I knew there was no reason to be "sneaky" and break the rules and play with them....I later found out GrandPa and mom used to mark the bullets in the revolver to see if I had been playing with them, and of course I hadn't.

I DID know kids that WERE the kind to get into their dad's guns... Whenever that happened (and it did) I would get the fork outta there ASAP... I didnt (and still dont..ok maybe a little) get into handling the guns because I knew the potential consequences...


Another thing about guns is I WAS allowed a BB-Gin of my choice and that is what I shot at birds and stuff with... Didn't really have a desire to dink with the "real" guns after that...


Moral of the story... raise your kids around them, don't HIDE them and you'll be fine... Kids will go out of their way to get into something if they've been told NO or been shown its "special" and they can't be a part of it...Get them on your level and your kids won't care on I-ota...


J

[mstlaurent]

I fully agree. I was also raised around guns, and went shooting frequently from the age of about six. In fact, I slept with a loaded PPK in my nightstand from the age of about 10 onwards. My dad figured that if something went down and I was the only one who could do anything about it then I'd be prepared. And he knew that I was mature enough to handle the responsibility. Not only did I not "show off" my gun to my friends, but not one of them ever even knew I had a gun in my room at all. Oddly enough, my brother, who was two years older than me, was not allowed to have a gun in his room, because he was irresponsible and never earned my dad's trust.

It's not about passing blanket laws that treat everyone (adults included) like children. It's about raising your kids right, and knowing your kids abilities and maturity. But that doesn't jive with today's parents who want the government to raise their kids while they spend their time as overaged adolescents.

[G-dude]

Moral of the story... raise your kids around them, don't HIDE them and you'll be fine... Kids will go out of their way to get into something if they've been told NO or been shown its "special" and they can't be a part of it...Get them on your level and your kids won't care on I-ota...


J

Ya exactly. That was the moral of my story too. Stop jumping on me!!!


I always liked guns. Since I can remember. But my mom HATED guns. She wouldn't even let me buy TOY guns!

I liked guns so much, by the time I was 11 I could name you every gun I saw in the movies. Without ever touching one, I someone knew even how they worked, loaded unloaded. Don't know how I knew, but I knew.

So one day, when his parents weren't home, my friend from junior high showed me all his dad's guns. He had an AK-47(drool) which I figured out how to unjam the bolt, cose it was jammed for some reason. I promptly took my shirt off and posed in the mirror with the AK , cocking the bolt.

He also had a little SS S&W .22 revolver. I knew it was loaded, but I could'nt figure out how to unlock the cylinder (forward duh!). I pushed up, down, back on the latch, and it wouldn't budge. Oh well. So i could feel the action, I would cock the hammer back and then carefully lower it down on, making sure I was pointing it in a safe direction(the floor, in a hidden corner of the closet) in case it went off. I had never handled those guns before and noone had ever taught me anything about guns or the safety rules. I just knew. I was 11.

So I still can't believe when I hear about 13 year olds shooting their friends. I have to chalk it up to complete ignorance about guns.

Bottom line is, I don't care about children. It's your problem how you raise them. I don't want to have them. All those little bastards can shoot themseves for all I care!!!

[ARRRR-15]

I disagree... I was raised around guns... They were always around at my mom's house, my grandparents, in-laws, family friends...etc.

I was allowed to shoot anytime I wanted to go shooting. I was taught how to properly handle a gun, and I was instructed to shoot a rabbit early on with a .22LR... This showed me as a little tyke, that guns are REAL. When the rabbit died I realized, guns aren't fake and dont come with a RESET button....

From that point on I always had a love for firearms but I NEVER EVER touched one without an adult to supervise...


My point is, guns weren't "taboo" in my life... They weren't something that was kept from me, so there was no "interest" on my behalf to break the rules and fiddle with them. Because I WAS allowed to play with any of them anytime I asked, I knew there was no reason to be "sneaky" and break the rules and play with them....I later found out GrandPa and mom used to mark the bullets in the revolver to see if I had been playing with them, and of course I hadn't.

I DID know kids that WERE the kind to get into their dad's guns... Whenever that happened (and it did) I would get the fork outta there ASAP... I didnt (and still dont..ok maybe a little) get into handling the guns because I knew the potential consequences...


Another thing about guns is I WAS allowed a BB-Gin of my choice and that is what I shot at birds and stuff with... Didn't really have a desire to dink with the "real" guns after that...


Moral of the story... raise your kids around them, don't HIDE them and you'll be fine... Kids will go out of their way to get into something if they've been told NO or been shown its "special" and they can't be a part of it...Get them on your level and your kids won't care on I-ota...


J

+1 on that. But it depends on the age. If there was a 2 year old running around and this guy had loaded(chambered) rifles and pistols laying around, that's a whole different story.
I think the wife should have either unloaded the firearms or put them up high somewhere. That would have solved all problems.

[ibanezfoo]

"This individual was certainly gearing up with some items that would not normally be found in a civilian community"

That is the line that scares me the most. Who's gets to say what is "normal" and what isn't?

-Bryan

[ibanezfoo]

BTW, inert grenades are only legal in California if they've been filled with resin or something like that. If it's empty, you could be charged.

They used to sell crates of drilled out grenades at airshows when I was a kid... man have times gone south.

-Bryan

[ibanezfoo]

Sorry guys, but loaded, unlocked weapons lying around a house with young children shows extremely poor (if not criminal) judgement, in my opinion.

If the explosives were illegal, and he had landmines and other crap like that, than that's another example of poor/criminal judgement.

Just because he had a bunch of guns, and we all love guns, does not excuse this guy.

If I was that much of a self-centered d*ck, I'd hope my wife would call the cops on me too (after trying to resolve the obvious safety issues with me first, of course), out of love and concern for our children.

I have a feeling the guys in this thread who think this clown was burned, or railroaded, or screwed somehow... well, let's just say, I'm guessing you don't have kids.

There mere fact that he owned things does not mean he would use them on people to commit crimes. Stupid or not, I say leave the guy alone until be blows something/someone up. We are all criminals if we start basing laws on what "might" happen with what we own.

-Bryan

[ibanezfoo]

I don't know anything about the case, yet the above attitude and mindset really bugs me. Having loaded firearms and children in the same area is not a crime in CA. If they hurt someone, yeah, that can be a crime, but proximity isn't illegal. Nor should it be!



Please refrain from imparting YOUR "sensibilities" onto others, (especially if you don't even have kids). That's what the "antis" do. Think about it before you spout the "endangerment" BS. Heck, letting your kids ride a bike could be deemed endangerment in some people's book these days.

Yes, I'm a parent. I would completely trust my 8 year old in the same room with a loaded pistol, rifle or shotgun. I would trust her friends too. Why? Because I constantly TEACH them proper behavior. I also keep an eye on what they're up to. There are also boundaries in my house that my kids do not cross and certain places that are off limits (radical concept nowadays).

Guns are no big deal as they get to shoot them. They know what the guns can do and how to use them. Pretty much anything over a .22 they're afraid of due to the noise and recoil (which they've felt)...and that's fine. There's no mystery about pistols, rifles or shotguns and therefore no reason to mess with them...especially when they would bring down a lot of grief upon themselves for doing so.

Responsibility in all aspects of life is TAUGHT thru consistency and repetition.

Please let PARENTS do OUR job and keep YOUR nose (and the government's too) out of what happens inside our own PRIVATE PROPERTY. Thanks.

[ibanezfoo]

Man I got robbed 2 seperate times a while ago at my old house... BOTH times a gun was involved (before JP got into guns, I DID have my shotty but NO shells the 2nd time) when I called the PD it took them like 2hrs to respond...

I called and said " I was just held against my will at gunpoint and robbed"

2hrs later the deputy (alone) showed up, took a quickie statment and bounced. Didn't dust for prints (dude touched a lot of stuff) didn't check his boot mark on the front door where he kicked it trying to open it (plain as can be tread print) and also didn't take a cast of the unique tread on his vehicle.


To this day they have never done squat about it, and I even know who did it now and they still wont listen.


My point was, "man with a gun" calls used to be priority but in my area it seems you're waiting no matter what.

We got something like 28 LEO for a population of 200,000 valley-wide...


JP

Thats law for ya... I had some bad stuff go down during a court case, and it just so happened that the judge was there in the parking lot picking up her kid from Del Taco when the bad stuff happened... the next time in court she said she didn't believe what we were saying, then we had to bring it up that she was there, and described her car and kid and everything... oh man did this piss her off because she was caught in a lie and she was now a witness. That caused more mess.... I don't completely distrust the law because I know enough LEOs to have some faith in them, but I firmly believe that if something is not done right off the bat, nothing is ever going to get done about your situation.

-Bryan

[triggerhappy]

Great point also!


I would keep guns away from really young kids who wouldn't know how to use them. But as soon as they were old enough to know what they're doing(8-10) I'd make sure they know how to load them, unload them safely and teach them never to point them at anyone.

No matter how well you lock up your guns, if you have kids, they WILL get to them when you're not around. It's better to teach them how to handle them safely when they do eventually show them to their friends.

I think alot of those tragic accidents happen when kids are ignorant about firearms and what they do.

Yep. I just picked up a Walther P22 for mine to learn on. I pity any pitchfork-wielding pyscho. He would be ventilatedwith a quickness. I look at guns and kids this way, do what Massad Ayoob would do.

[triggerhappy]

"This individual was certainly gearing up with some items that would not normally be found in a civilian community"

That is the line that scares me the most. Who's gets to say what is "normal" and what isn't?

-Bryan

Apparently, the elitist snob who said it. Not the one who quoted them, of course...

[50 Freak]

I see a divorce in the future..

I see a boyfriend in the picture....why else would a wife turn her husband in unless he was beating the crap out of her or molesting the kids....In that case, hope the boyfriend will be his in jail.

[SteveInKA]

I see a divorce in the future..

and a b!tchslap to the face. I don't condone hitting women, but i sure as hell don't mind smacking a b!tch. What a pos spouse...way to have your man's back.

[Fate]

and a b!tchslap to the face. I don't condone hitting women, but i sure as hell don't mind smacking a b!tch. What a pos spouse...way to have your man's back.

And evolution takes one step back...