Please explain this to me thanks

[randy]

Minimalist gear on your particular gun. Basically don't bolt on p00p that you don't need. Extra stuff will get you killed in a gunfight. He did add that you will cool though. "The number one rule is to look cool.." The bare necessities are a correctly sized stock, sling and light. If you have to have a magazine extension use all factory parts. A particular emphasis placed on the correct stock length. You can get all sorts of fancy work done on it. But if your shotgun is going to be used by a female or someone smaller than you have to watch out for that. In general most stocks are too long for the general usage. A good test is put the butt of the shotgun on inner joint of your arm (the joint were you bend your forearm). If your trigger finger's first knuckle (from the palm of your hand) does not reach the trigger, then is too long. Saw it off, fix it. Please don't forget that body armour and thick clothing will affect your reach as well. Another point was that your significant other could use a 20ga with a youth stock.


This was from edsels report on his Lewis Aurbucks shotgun class.

So if Lewis says minimal junk on your shotgun then why are all the mall ninja's trying to find more real estate on their shotty's to attach more junk?

[CalNRA]

oh no, not another "all your guns look stupid because mine is different than yours" thread...

why?

because it's not illegal yet. You'll get your wish soon enough though with the congress we've got.

for the record my 870's ninjafication went as far as an 18.5 inch barrel and a butt stock shell holder, ditto with my Mossberg 500. I don't look down on the tacticool crowd.

[jumbopanda]

Spite.



Personally I think it's worth decking out your gun in as much crap as legally/financially possible just out of contempt for our asinine gun laws. There aren't too many restrictions on shotguns, so why not go crazy with stuff like folding stocks and vertical foregrips? Same with fixed-mag rifles. I'm sure the sight of such a thing would be enough to raise a gun-grabber's blood pressure.

[randy]

No Cal

This is a one of the most well respected if not the utmost authority of shotguns says keep it simple per edsels report threads.

I'm wondering why you would add more stuff?

[jmlivingston]

Here's my thoughts..

Don't become dependant on tools that aren't necessary. The more tools bolted on the more likely one will break, a battery will be dead when you need it most, etc.

The more you bolt on, the heavier it gets. 9 or 10 lbs may not seem like much, but when you're lugging that thing around half the day it will start to drag on you.

The more you bolt on the less streamlined your gun becomes, making it all that more likely to snag on clothing, furniture, tree branches, etc.

John

[Diablo]

I have a Mossberg 500 that has all the gadgets on it, just for the tacticool look. I don't use it as a primary weapon for home defense. I have a plain old pistol grip 18 inch barrel for that. I just think that if you want to add necklaces and rings to your weapon....Go for it....it's yours anyways..

[CalNRA]

No Cal

This is a one of the most well respected if not the utmost authority of shotguns says keep it simple per edsels report threads.

I'm wondering why you would add more stuff?

recoil reduction?

seriously though, I do believe in his statement, but if a man wants to add a few things here and there to his gun, I don't see why we need to ask him why. After all, why do you have a shotgun? 911 is enough according to many experts in the law-enforcement community.

[CALI-gula]

I am a big believer in bare essentials, and simple over silly. I've got a better question for you that might explain this attraction to have excess features on a gun:

Why would someone install FAKE features on their firearm? No offense to those that created some of the things I am about to mention, but why would you install:

A FAKE silencer?
Or a FAKE collapsible or folding stock by fixing it in place?
Or a FAKE 30 round magazine that only holds 10 rounds? Why would you want something sticking out that far from the bottom of the gun when it doesn't need to do so?

It's no different than Air-soft and a virtual video game realm at that point. But the same mind-set that exists for installing these fake items on a gun runs parallel to why someone might install a lot of excessive "tools" on their gun - they were sold on the hype.

But it all comes down to marketing and keeping up with the Jones' mixed with the "you've gotta have this" ad campaign. To look "cool" you need this! If you don't have one of these, you can't hang out with the "cool" kids - hey, c'mon, everybody's doing it!

It's just like fake hood-scoops and installing useless giant tail wings on pedestrian cars - which never made sense to me either.

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[Diablo]

What's wrong with people installing anything they want on their weapons? Freedom of choice...Maybe not the wisest decision but then it's their money...

[Bishop]

Whatever man. Spending's good for the economy.

There ARE legitimate uses for lights (rule 4) and lazors can be used when in a position where you can't aim down the sights.

I do like the idea of having one just to piss off gun grabbers. I'd probably make mine an SKS just because they seem to hate them so much!

[tankerman]

It's no different than the AR crowd that has their whole barrel covered in a rail. That's about as DISCO as it gets. Monocrapalithic rail, or Monopathetic rail or what ever you want to call it, who gives crap if you can move you flashlight to 500 different positions and if you need a laser to aim then you should go get some LEGITIMATE shooting lessons. Usually guys that talk like, "I do my best work with Blah Blah Blah accessory attached". Work? WTF going to the range is not the same as being a Marine or other soldier that puts his life on the line, so stop acting like your some kind of range hero, friggen Ranger Rick.
O.k. I got that all out, feel much better now.

[xenophobe]

There are two different mindsets here...

1) Cause it looks cool.

2) Because it's actually necessary.


I do tend to laugh at the former...

[rkt88edmo]

My shotgun doesn't have a light system yet, I think that would fall under Louis' categorization of "not enough toys yet"

Play nice everyone.

Disco, Disco, Good! Good!

[m1371]

Minimalist gear on your particular gun. Basically don't bolt on p00p that you don't need. Extra stuff will get you killed in a gunfight. He did add that you will cool though. "The number one rule is to look cool.." The bare necessities are a correctly sized stock, sling and light. If you have to have a magazine extension use all factory parts. A particular emphasis placed on the correct stock length. You can get all sorts of fancy work done on it. But if your shotgun is going to be used by a female or someone smaller than you have to watch out for that. In general most stocks are too long for the general usage. A good test is put the butt of the shotgun on inner joint of your arm (the joint were you bend your forearm). If your trigger finger's first knuckle (from the palm of your hand) does not reach the trigger, then is too long. Saw it off, fix it. Please don't forget that body armour and thick clothing will affect your reach as well. Another point was that your significant other could use a 20ga with a youth stock.


This was from edsels report on his Lewis Aurbucks shotgun class.

So if Lewis says minimal junk on your shotgun then why are all the mall ninja's trying to find more real estate on their shotty's to attach more junk?

It's simply form vs function. Most people go for a certain look but a small minority are actually using the various accessories that you see hanging off of firearms, whether it be shottys... rifles... or handguns.

The commercial marketplace is what keeps the firearms industry strong and growing. I mean seriously, the .mil can only buy so many M1913 rails, Aimpoints and SureFire lights. If it weren't for everybody and their brother wanting to build an "authentic M4gery" or an 870 just like the Border Patrol uses, a lot of companies wouldn't be in business today. People have got to have the latest and greatest toy that's on the street, regardless of whether it enhances their shooting ability or just makes them look cool.

Louis is a great instructor and has a wealth of knowledge to pass on, but unfortunately I'd say that about 99% of the gun-owning public is missing out.

Remember brother, it's all about looking cool.....

[scewper]

For my next shotgun, I'm going to put together a semi-auto with only a pistol grip, just because our stupid laws say that you can have a pistol grip (with no stock) but if you add a telesoping stock to that, it's illegal.