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  • EBR Works
    Vendor/Retailer
    • Dec 2007
    • 10492

    Potential retinal detachment from .50 BMG muzzle blast?

    I had lunch today with a friend and fellow CalGunner that works with .50 BMG weapons on a daily basis in development of technology for military use in sniping applications. After lots of research, he has personally become concerned about the potential of retinal detachment (RD) from blast and overpressure alone and has decided to limit his exposure to range operations. I am concerned since I have a new business where I'll be shooting and teaching on a 22" barreled Ferret50 (with substantial eye and hearing protection!) every week that has extreme muzzle blast, but minimal recoil. He is telling me that I am at great risk in this activity due to pressure effects on the sinuses and potential for RD. According to him, there is no effective protection from this. What can everyone here tell me on this subject? Thanks.
    Last edited by EBR Works; 06-21-2010, 9:20 PM.


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    Ballistic043
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2008
    • 1704

    here's what i can tell you. after shooting your rifle at angeles for the first time, that was my first immediate concern.

    i felt as if my eyes were gonna shake from their sockets! people with glaucoma i think would be at greater risk due to the higher pressures in the eye..


    but im not a medical expert

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    • #3
      BSlacker
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2003
      • 923

      I work with lasers used to repair the retina. You should go to a good retina specialist.
      They have some amazing equipment to look at the retina and record it. They can see the tissue structure underneath and if you have weak spots where a tear could develop.
      Where are you located I may know a Doctor in your area. Dr Sidikaro in Beverly Hills has the latest equipment and is one of the best.

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      • #4
        craneman
        • Jan 2010
        • 1329

        I wonder about tank crews and fire teams running 155mm howitzers. I would think the muzzle blast and pressure wave is a bit higher than a .50BMG. I realize they are not shouldering it obviously, but you mentioned low recoil on your testing rifle. Am I missing something?
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        • #5
          Once A Marine
          Senior Member
          • Jun 2009
          • 1165

          I've never heard of such an issue from any sniper types. As a former machinegunner, I never witnessed anything like that from an M2 nor did I ever hear stories of such.

          I'm sure being on the receiving end of the .50 to the eye socket would do it, though.

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          • #6
            Unit74
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2009
            • 2359

            Originally posted by Once A Marine
            I've never heard of such an issue from any sniper types. As a former machinegunner, I never witnessed anything like that from an M2 nor did I ever hear stories of such.

            I'm sure being on the receiving end of the .50 to the eye socket would do it, though.
            I have spent a boat load of time on the paddles of a ma-deuce.... My eyes are fine.

            Never even discussed in 12 years in the Corps.


            FUD or truth? Me thinks FUD.

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            • #7
              Guns R Tools
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2005
              • 1782

              I think it is pertinent to shoulder fired 50BMGs.

              Muzzle brake shock wave or actual push that does damage. Who knows.
              'Cuz big holes are easier to see.

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              • #8
                EBR Works
                Vendor/Retailer
                • Dec 2007
                • 10492

                Weapons like the M2 do not have a muzzle brake. I have an M2 and there is no overpressure and blast coming back at the shooter and observers like there is when firing the Ferret and other similar rifles with a very efficient fish gill brake. The issue is with the overpressure and blast from the brake.
                Last edited by EBR Works; 06-21-2010, 8:50 PM.


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                • #9
                  winnre
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 9214

                  Sounds like we found our first medical use for the one watt blue lasers.
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                  • #10
                    kel-tec-innovations
                    Veteran Member
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 3931

                    Probably constant exposure would be a problem, but occasional and separated exposure shouldn't be a problem as your body has time to heal. Like listening to loud music, constant exposure would led to problems in the long run.
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                    • #11
                      EBR Works
                      Vendor/Retailer
                      • Dec 2007
                      • 10492

                      The question would be what is constant exposure? If exposed to 25-50 rounds once per week, would that be excessive? I know that these questions cannot really be answered. I appreciate the feedback though.
                      Last edited by EBR Works; 06-21-2010, 10:38 PM.


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                      • #12
                        Q
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Aug 2006
                        • 6668

                        Never thought of it but makes sense..
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                        • #13
                          NorcalGSG
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 1307

                          Maybe you could somehow remove your brake and add more weight to make up the difference in recoil? I know that brakes make a serious amount of extra noise or rifles, I even hate the extra noise that the brake makes on my .223, let alone a .50!!

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                          • #14
                            EBR Works
                            Vendor/Retailer
                            • Dec 2007
                            • 10492

                            Originally posted by NorcalGSG
                            Maybe you could somehow remove your brake and add more weight to make up the difference in recoil? I know that brakes make a serious amount of extra noise or rifles, I even hate the extra noise that the brake makes on my .223, let alone a .50!!
                            With no brake on a .50 BMG/DTC rifle you would most likely end up with a dislocated or broken shoulder. We can try it .... you go first.


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                            • #15
                              socram909
                              Member
                              • May 2010
                              • 106

                              Has your friend had an eye exam? If not he should see a doctor right away as a retinal detachment is a medical emergency. After a proper exam they will know if he does indeed have a retinal tear or detachment and what needs to be done.
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