i'm building a naughty looking toy

[stan]

Updates?

Have you shot it yet? Anybody give you gruff about it?

sold the lower, put hte upper back on a rifle lower, using the pistol buffer system on my ar pistol build. it was a fun experiment but it just sat around and i havent had time to go shooting in like 6 months.

[Lil Bawbee]

Just out of curiousity how does one legally aquire a 30 round pmag?

[Turbinator]

sold the lower, put hte upper back on a rifle lower, using the pistol buffer system on my ar pistol build. it was a fun experiment but it just sat around and i havent had time to go shooting in like 6 months.

Shame. Thought you were going to be the test case for all of us, pushing the limits and making history.

Just out of curiousity how does one legally aquire a 30 round pmag?

Get a hicap mag permit. Or move out of state, where they allow 30 round mags. I'm not even going to get into the "find one" discussions...

Turby

[edward]

R-R-R-R-Resurrected!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thought I should post my idea/inquiry in this thread vs. starting a new one.

What would the consensus be on something like this calguns?



Buttstock detached it is
> 26" OAL
> 16" barrel

So its not a pistol...

With no buttstock it would also not be designed to be fired from the shoulder so it can't be a rifle...

But if you install a bullet button and then put the buttstock on you would of course be right back into the realm of CA legal semi automatic centerfire rifle and clearly within the federal definition of a rifle.

How dicey is this compared to Stan's build? Does the fact the the buttstock is so readily attachable/detachable put this into no-go territory?

I am guessing Auto Ordnance doesn't sell one that has no buttstock to begin with, so there goes the possibility of having it 4473'd as a Title 1 long gun starting with the very first transfer. But does that matter?

Is there anything wrong with going from a gun that leaves the factory as a rifle, goes through 1 or 2 or 3 transfers as a rifle, then comes to CA and all of a sudden gets 4473'd as a title one long gun (if someone along the way takes the buttstock off)? Do you even need to bother?

Can you attach and detach the buttstock at will? (as long as you stay within CA law regarding the bullet button, and always ensuring that you attach the bullet button before you put the buttstock on), thus constantly changing the gun from title 1 long gun to rifle and back and forth again all day, erryday?

I'm guessing you can right? Otherwise how/why would Auto Ord. even make a gun with a readily detachable buttstock, which so neatly conforms to the federal standards in both it's configurations?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Thanks for the pics and ideas also stan.

[CSACANNONEER]

Shame. Thought you were going to be the test case for all of us, pushing the limits and making history.

What a difference a year makes. Now, similar guns are being openly sold in gunshops throughout California.

R-R-R-R-Resurrected!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thought I should post my idea/inquiry in this thread vs. starting a new one.

What would the consensus be on something like this calguns?



Buttstock detached it is
> 26" OAL
> 16" barrel

So its not a pistol...

With no buttstock it would also not be designed to be fired from the shoulder so it can't be a rifle...

But if you install a bullet button and then put the buttstock on you would of course be right back into the realm of CA legal semi automatic centerfire rifle and clearly within the federal definition of a rifle.

How dicey is this compared to Stan's build? Does the fact the the buttstock is so readily attachable/detachable put this into no-go territory?

I am guessing Auto Ordnance doesn't sell one that has no buttstock to begin with, so there goes the possibility of having it 4473'd as a Title 1 long gun starting with the very first transfer. But does that matter?

Is there anything wrong with going from a gun that leaves the factory as a rifle, goes through 1 or 2 or 3 transfers as a rifle, then comes to CA and all of a sudden gets 4473'd as a title one long gun (if someone along the way takes the buttstock off)? Do you even need to bother?

Can you attach and detach the buttstock at will? (as long as you stay within CA law regarding the bullet button, and always ensuring that you attach the bullet button before you put the buttstock on), thus constantly changing the gun from title 1 long gun to rifle and back and forth again all day, erryday?

I'm guessing you can right? Otherwise how/why would Auto Ord. even make a gun with a readily detachable buttstock, which so neatly conforms to the federal standards in both it's configurations?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Thanks for the pics and ideas also stan.

Why would there be a difference? Of course a Thompson clone would be just as legal as an AR long gun without a shoulder stock.

[edward]

What a difference a year makes. Now, similar guns are being openly sold in gunshops throughout California.



Why would there be a difference? Of course a Thompson clone would be just as legal as an AR long gun without a shoulder stock.

So the whole no bullet button with no buttstock thing is completely kosher? Just making 100% certain. I haven't seen anymore news on this since the Franklin Armory XO-26, but that was more to do with tinkering with the assault pistol laws wasn't it?

[Cali-Shooter]

Thread title is full of WIN!

[JeffM]

So the whole no bullet button with no buttstock thing is completely kosher? Just making 100% certain. I haven't seen anymore news on this since the Franklin Armory XO-26, but that was more to do with tinkering with the assault pistol laws wasn't it?

Thread title is full of WIN!

This thread is full of FAIL.

Right now we are fighting fights that will have a real impact on gun owners rights both long and short term. We have momentum. We have a strong and dedicated base and some of the best minds in the country working to strengthen the recognition of the Second Amendment as a fundamental human right.

This b*llsh*t, which includes the Franklin gun, the unloaded open carry (UOC) movement, Team Billy, and all the other tilting at windmills that gun owners seem to love to do, at best serves as a distraction and at worst seriously undermines the effectiveness of the real fight to further our rights as gun owners.

I for one am glad that Stan has abandoned his mission to go to jail for something stupid.

[xxINKxx]

This thread is full of FAIL.



I for one am glad that Stan has abandoned his mission to go to jail for something stupid.

Or he just realized finally that the gun itself was pretty pointless/dumb.

Full size upper with no buttstock...That sounds like a awsome gun!! ..um no

[chillincody]

Only semiautomatic centerfire rifles and semiautomatic pistols with fixed magazines are limited to the 10 round AW restriction.

If the AOW has a barrel less then 16" it would a pistol and would need to comply with pistol AW regs.

are you sure i thought all guns have to follow the 10 round limit un less its pre ban

[lorax3]

are you sure i thought all guns have to follow the 10 round limit un less its pre ban

Use of large-capacity magazines in CA is only restricted in 2 cases. These restrictions limit you to using only a ten round magazine if your firearms has certain characteristics. This does not have anything to do with importing, or manufacturing magazines; my above statement only dealt with certain configurations which it is unlawful to use a large-capacity magazine regardless of magazine age.

122761. (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall
also mean any of the following:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to
accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action
of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.
(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine
with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length
of less than 30 inches.
(4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a
detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor,
forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely
encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon
without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the
barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location
outside of the pistol grip.
(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the
capacity to accept more than 10 rounds .
(6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action
of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.
(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a
detachable magazine.
(8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

[Sonic_mike]

Call it snookie.

[spits55]

A basic AR without the buffer and stock? we've all had one at one point so get in like, take a number... now serving 3,453,789,453

[CSACANNONEER]

This thread is full of FAIL.

Right now we are fighting fights that will have a real impact on gun owners rights both long and short term. We have momentum. We have a strong and dedicated base and some of the best minds in the country working to strengthen the recognition of the Second Amendment as a fundamental human right.

This b*llsh*t, which includes the Franklin gun, the unloaded open carry (UOC) movement, Team Billy, and all the other tilting at windmills that gun owners seem to love to do, at best serves as a distraction and at worst seriously undermines the effectiveness of the real fight to further our rights as gun owners.

I for one am glad that Stan has abandoned his mission to go to jail for something stupid.

Yea, I'm with you. I just don't understand why these crazy people have come up with these weird ideas. Just think of the cutting edge fixed mag locks a few years ago. Wasn't that a stupid idea? Then, there wass the whole "detachable vs. attachable thing and the advent of "bullet buttons". Wasn't that just the worst idea in the world? At first, anyone caught with one was risking jail time. Shouldn't we have just been grateful for the fact that we could still own slingshots and never tried to push the limits and risk going to jail by starting the whole OLL thing in the first place. I mean, why would anyone want to put themself in a position like that? We should all just stand down and let a few people dictate all of our actions, right? Wouldn't that just make us sheeple of a different color?