ordering my upper today

[Rob454]

something about a 20" bull barrel with a collapsible stock just doesnt seem right.

Hopefully yours isnt a bust, plenty of people have crap experiences with Blackthorn/Hesse/Vulcan. I guess if you dont like it or its bad you can always sell it to an unsuspecting newbie.

Changed it to the non collapsible stock. Looks more like a rifle now.

[crackerman]

16 inch best all around combo

[Rob454]

This really isnt that heavy. And then again I have a typical gorilla build so whats not heavy for me may be heavy for someone