Gun Stores & Safe Handling Demonstration

[NiteQwill]

I, for one, don't really care about performing the safe handling demonstration (I'll do it anyway since it's only 10 seconds) but when I recognize a moment of education and inform the gun store employee that I'm exempt from performing the demonstration and they (instead of a lightbulb going off in their head) call me a liar, I get pissed.

(D) Commencing January 1, 2003, except as authorized by the department, no firearms dealer may deliver a handgun unless the recipient performs a safe handling demonstration with that handgun. ......blah blah blah......
(J) The persons who are exempt from the requirements of subdivision (b) of Section 12801, pursuant to Section 12807, are also exempt from performing the safe handling demonstration.

Carry on...

/end rant

[GTKrockeTT]

LIAR!!!





















how ya been D?

[Doheny]

...and they (instead of a lightbulb going off in their head) call me a liar, I get pissed.

That's when you pistol whip 'em and walk out with your new gun.

[perpetual otter]

That's when you pistol whip 'em and walk out with your new gun.

[Richie Caketown]

wait... how are you exempt ? please phrase it normal terms

[NiteQwill]

LIAR!!!
how ya been D?

Good man! Long time no see! Where are we going shooting?

That's when you pistol whip 'em and walk out with your new gun.

I was VERY tempted, trust me.

wait... how are you exempt ? please phrase it normal terms

If you are exempt from providing a HSC to buy a handgun (PC12807), you are exempt from the safe handling demonstration (PC12701 section J).

[Turo]

What does a "safe handling demonstration" consist of? I just bought a pistol a few days ago and I don't remember any demonstrations of any kind other than "Here ya go, range time is free today." when he handed it to me.

[Brendan Sullivan]

The handling demo is the certified 'trainer' instructing you on use and you showing you know what they're talking about. This was on the HSC test we all had to take! I won't name the store or the individual, but I know a guy who went in for a 9mm, and his handling check went like this -

Gunstore: "You got other guns? You know how to shoot?"

Customer: "Yessir."

Gunstore: "Works for me. Thus concludes your handgun safe handling demonstration."

[NiteQwill]

What does a "safe handling demonstration" consist of? I just bought a pistol a few days ago and I don't remember any demonstrations of any kind other than "Here ya go, range time is free today." when he handed it to me.

I believe Section D of PC 12701 explains what it consists of.

Haha, it is kind of hit or miss. Although gun stores are required by law to have you perform if (if not exempt), those that I've gone to are usually 50/50 in performing it.

I won't name the store or the individual, but I know a guy who went in for a 9mm, and his handling check went like this -

Gunstore: "You got other guns? You know how to shoot?"

Customer: "Yessir."

Gunstore: "Works for me. Thus concludes your handgun safe handling demonstration."

Awesome!

[Turo]

The handling demo is the certified 'trainer' instructing you on use and you showing you know what they're talking about. This was on the HSC test we all had to take! I won't name the store or the individual, but I know a guy who went in for a 9mm, and his handling check went like this -

Gunstore: "You got other guns? You know how to shoot?"

Customer: "Yessir."

Gunstore: "Works for me. Thus concludes your handgun safe handling demonstration."

Lol funny story. Yeah, I never heard anything about it. I took my HSC test a few months ago and the 20 or so questions on the test were the only things I was required to do. And the guy that did all the paperwork for my pistol didn't say anything about it. I guess the fact that I grabbed my new gun and took it inside the range and blew through a hundred rounds was proof enough that I knew how to handle it.

[Bobula]

exempt due to exposed firearms permit

[Richie Caketown]

If you are exempt from providing a HSC to buy a handgun (PC12807), you are exempt from the safe handling demonstration (PC12701 section J).

Lets try this again , but read more carefully .


WHY is it that YOU are EXEMPT from showing your HSC card and demonstartion? Is this a perk for LEO/Military or something ?

[Brianguy]

exempt due to exposed firearms permit

ah geez what the hell i wouldnt have gotten the stupid hsc if i knew that!

[NiteQwill]

WHY is it that YOU are EXEMPT from showing your HSC card and demonstartion? Is this a perk for LEO/Military or something ?

My reading comprehension goes down after a long day, I apologize.

Yes

[Brianguy]

For anyone that is too lazy to look up the exemptions:

(a) The following persons, properly identified, are exempted
from the handgun safety certificate requirement in subdivision (b)
of Section 12801:
(1) Any active or honorably retired peace officer, as defined in
Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2.
(2) Any active or honorably retired federal officer or law
enforcement agent.
(3) Any reserve peace officer, as defined in Section 832.6.
(4) Any person who has successfully completed the course of
training specified in Section 832.
(5) A firearms dealer licensed pursuant to Section 12071, who is
acting in the course and scope of his or her activities as a person
licensed pursuant to Section 12071.
(6) A federally licensed collector who is acquiring or being
loaned a handgun that is a curio or relic, as defined in Section
478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations, who has a
current certificate of eligibility issued to him or her by the
department pursuant to Section 12071.
(7) A person to whom a handgun is being returned, where the person
receiving the firearm is the owner of the firearm.
(8) A family member of a peace officer or deputy sheriff from a
local agency who receives a firearm pursuant to Section 50081 of the
Government Code.
(9) Any individual who has a valid concealed weapons permit issued
pursuant to Section 12050.
(10) An active, or honorably retired member of the United States
Armed Forces, the National Guard, the Air National Guard, the active
reserve components of the United States, where individuals in those
organizations are properly identified. For purposes of this section,
proper identification includes the Armed Forces Identification Card,
or other written documentation certifying that the individual is an
active or honorably retired member.
(11) Any person who is authorized to carry loaded firearms
pursuant to subdivision (c) or (d) of Section 12031.
(12) Persons who are the holders of a special weapons permit
issued by the department pursuant to Section 12095, 12230, 12250, or
12305.
(b) The following persons who take title or possession of a
handgun by operation of law in a representative capacity, until or
unless they transfer title ownership of the handgun to themselves in
a personal capacity, are exempted from the handgun safety certificate
requirement in subdivision (b) of Section 12801:
(1) The executor or administrator of an estate.
(2) A secured creditor or an agent or employee thereof when the
firearms are possessed as collateral for, or as a result of, or an
agent or employee thereof when the firearms are possessed as
collateral for, or as a result of, a default under a security
agreement under the Commercial Code.
(3) A levying officer, as defined in Section 481.140, 511.060, or
680.260 of the Code of Civil Procedure.
(4) A receiver performing his or her functions as a receiver.
(5) A trustee in bankruptcy performing his or her duties.
(6) An assignee for the benefit of creditors performing his or her
functions as an assignee.