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  • Area 52
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2009
    • 533

    Gun Laws in McMurdo Station

    What kind of laws and/or rules are there concerning the legality of a scientist or support staff having guns in McMurdo Station, Antarctica? I'm not a scientist and I don't plan on ever going there, just curious. I understand that the U.S. Marshals provide law enforcement for the base, but what about others having guns?
  • #2
    bigstick61
    Veteran Member
    • May 2008
    • 3211

    Dunno. I don't believe the U.S. recognizes any sovereignty there. I'm not sure if McMurdo is one the section of the continent that no country claims; as for the other areas, I suppose it would be whatever the national laws are there.

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    • #3
      BigDogatPlay
      Calguns Addict
      • Jun 2007
      • 7362

      All of Antartica is a GFZ, to my understanding, by international convention. I need to pull some research to be sure but I believe that to be the case.
      -- Rifle, Pistol, Shotgun

      Not a lawyer, just a former LEO proud to have served.

      Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. -- James Madison

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      • #4
        Rob454
        CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Feb 2006
        • 11254

        no guns allowed there doesn't mean you can't get one there in your bags but what's the point

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        • #5
          JDay
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Nov 2008
          • 19393

          There are very few firearms in Antarctica.



          * Article 1 – area to be used for peaceful purposes only; military activity, such as weapons testing, is prohibited, but military personnel and equipment may be used for scientific research or any other peaceful purpose;
          * Article 2 – freedom of scientific investigation and cooperation shall continue;
          * Article 3 – free exchange of information and personnel in cooperation with the United Nations and other international agencies;
          * Article 4 – the treaty does not recognize, dispute, nor establish territorial sovereignty claims; no new claims shall be asserted while the treaty is in force;
          * Article 5 – prohibits nuclear explosions or disposal of radioactive wastes;
          * Article 6 – includes under the treaty all land and ice shelves south of 60 degrees 00 minutes south;
          * Article 7 – treaty-state observers have free access, including aerial observation, to any area and may inspect all stations, installations, and equipment; advance notice of all activities and of the introduction of military personnel must be given;
          * Article 8 – allows for jurisdiction over observers and scientists by their own states;
          * Article 9 – frequent consultative meetings take place among member nations;
          * Article 10 – treaty states will discourage activities by any country in Antarctica that are contrary to the treaty;
          * Article 11 – disputes to be settled peacefully by the parties concerned or, ultimately, by the International Court of Justice;
          * Articles 12, 13, 14 – deal with upholding, interpreting, and amending the treaty among involved nations.
          This is the Palmer Station firearms policy. McMurdo Station is likely the same.

          Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison

          The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)

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          • #6
            yelohamr
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2009
            • 1402

            There's no GFSZ there, I'd open carry...but I don't plan to be there.

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            • #7
              jammer2k
              Member
              • Jan 2008
              • 273

              I can't believe that you cannot be armed there, what about rouge penquin attacks?
              Originally posted by bwiese
              Please also don't confuse small-L libertarians with the Big-L Libertarian Party. The former is a stance; the latter is generally useless (unelectable).

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              • #8
                Gryff
                CGSSA Coordinator
                • May 2006
                • 12685

                It's a government facility. I doubt that personal weapons would be allowed.


                Originally posted by jammer2k
                I can't believe that you cannot be armed there, what about rouge penquin attacks?
                There are red penguins?
                My friends and family disavow all knowledge of my existence, let alone my opinions.

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                • #9
                  Alan Block
                  Veteran Member
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 3087

                  The Only legitimate use I can think of for a gun there

                  is for mushers (dog handlers) who may have to destroy an injiured dog.

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                  • #10
                    Retzius
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 1390

                    I spent a season there as a research assistant for APIS

                    Truely no need for a firearm there, the penguins don't attack and the seals just lay there...

                    Your biggest enemy can be boredom, gun ain't gonna help.
                    "Push the envelope - Watch it bend" - Lateralus

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                    • #11
                      jammer2k
                      Member
                      • Jan 2008
                      • 273

                      Originally posted by Gryff
                      There are red penguins?
                      Absolutely, nothing but dirty little commies those penquins....


                      rogue, rogue, its spelled rogue (pounds head on desk)
                      Originally posted by bwiese
                      Please also don't confuse small-L libertarians with the Big-L Libertarian Party. The former is a stance; the latter is generally useless (unelectable).

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