Becareful when someone knocks on your door

[joepamjohn]

No (there's only so much I can control), but I do wear my seatbelt in the car and I don't use an umbrella on the golf course when there's lightning.

Why don't you answer my question? At this point I suspect you're just talking out of your rear end and you really know next to nothing about self defense.

You may be right. Maybe I don't have a clue about self defense, do you? Are you an expert or do you just play one here in these forums? My "rear end" tells me that I don't need to run to the panic room whenever I hear about a crime or that a "stranger" is knocking at my door. If you do then we will just have to have a difference of opinion.

I can't imagine living anywhere that I felt the need to carry a gun in my own house, from room to room. If that makes me a potential victim then I can live with that. Being so "prepared" that the above is necessary is far more dangerous than any remotely possible invasion in my book, and living with that type of fear would be far worse than the fear from any type of home invasion (atleast to me)

[Air]

Terrible story. I don't open the door UNLESS I'm armed.

Agreed. And usually, I don't open the door. I'm glad I have cameras.

[Barney Gumble]

You may be right. Maybe I don't have a clue about self defense and based on your multiple posts, you no doubt are an expert. My "rear end" tells me that I don't need to run to the panic room whenever I hear about a crime or that a "stranger" is at my door. If you do then we will just have to have a difference of opinion.

You're not afraid of anyone who might come to your door but obviously you're afraid of having a discussion about this, or possibly learning something.

[joepamjohn]

You're not afraid of anyone who might come to your door but obviously you're afraid of having a discussion about this, or possibly learning something.

Barney, Obviously you see the world differently that I do. I am really ok with that since you are not the only one. Afraid of discussion? Count how many "discussion" posts I have put just into this thread. I have also replied to every one of your attempts to bring me down to your level.

Now, if you have something to "teach me" then please proceed. Please offer facts and not more FUD.

If you like I would be happy to take this to PM so as not to burden the others here with my lesson plan.

[MudCamper]

When I'm home, I'm ALWAYS armed. If I had the option, I'd be armed outside the home at all times as well. I'm not paranoid, I'm not some nut, I'm just a regular guy that understands that the world is dangerous...

Absolutely agree.

Better yet, I was a Boy Scout myself. If you knew even the first think about Boy Scouts, you'd remember "be prepared". That's what they taught me, and that's why I always have a knife on me in the day-to-day activities. When I go on a hike, I have a backpack with water, a coat, emergency blanket, matches/lighter, headlamp, and strapped to the side is a 15" Kabar Next-Gen fighter (knife).

I'd rather have X and not need it, than need X and not have it. Insert whatever word you want there.

Yup. That Boy Scout Motto stuck with me too.

I can't imagine living anywhere that I felt the need to carry a gun in my own house, from room to room. If that makes me a potential victim then I can live with that.

Some people just like being prepared and self-reliant. Others don't. IMO your choice is the irresponsible one. But it's a free country. Do what you want.

[joepamjohn]

To joepamjohn: IMO your choice is the irresponsible one.

and if i am home with another person, i always go into the room with a window that faces the front door, and lock, load and aim (behind a curtain of course), while the other person opens the door.

LOL, And I am the "irresponsible one". Every day I learn more about my "fellow gun owners"

[Barney Gumble]

Barney, Obviously you see the world differently that I do. I am really ok with that since you are not the only one. Afraid of discussion? Count how many "discussion" posts I have put just into this thread. I have also replied to every one of your attempts to bring me down to your level.

To be fair, you have posted but you certainly haven't answered the question I posed. Most of your posts are painting people as paranoid freaks, or distorting their comments to support that point of view. For example I asked you what the first response should be to someone kicking down a door if a gun is not the answer. Your response was, "You probably have a better chance of a plane crashing into your house, are you prepared for that too?"

Now, if you have something to "teach me" then please proceed. Please offer facts and not more FUD.

Do I have anything to teach you? I don't know. I do have questions and maybe we can all learn something by exploring them together. If you're interested in having that discussion, then here's a question: You say you're not afraid of whoever might be on the other side of the door. Let's say I am, for whatever reason. How do you recommend I defend myself and my family in the (admittedly unlikely) event that person decides to kick down my door, or bust through my glass patio door while I'm watching the boob tube after dinner? I am seeking your honest recommendation here, not taking a shot at your own way of doing things.

[Theseus]

I have decided I will no longer use weapons that I apparently possess to compensate for a small part of my anatomy. I will instead use that apparently small part of my anatomy and beat the person on the head.

That should settle the issue completely to show that 1. I didn't use weapons to compensate and 2. It isn't the same thing as using a weapon.

[Scratch705]

LOL, And I am the "irresponsible one". Every day I learn more about my "fellow gun owners"

way to redirect to someone else to dodge your own discussion and your lack of will to talk to barney, especially when i have explained myself.....

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=3871444&postcount=84

i learn new things about my "fellow gun owners" too.... that there are those that are just run to avoid discussion.

[joepamjohn]

To be fair, you have posted but you certainly haven't answered the question I posed. Most of your posts are painting people as paranoid freaks, or distorting their comments to support that point of view. For example I asked you what the first response should be to someone kicking down a door if a gun is not the answer. Your response was, "You probably have a better chance of a plane crashing into your house, are you prepared for that too?"


Do I have anything to teach you? I don't know. I do have questions and maybe we can all learn something by exploring them together. If you're interested in having that discussion, then here's a question: You say you're not afraid of whoever might be on the other side of the door. Let's say I am, for whatever reason. How do you recommend I defend myself and my family in the (admittedly unlikely) event that person decides to kick down my door, or bust through my glass patio door while I'm watching the boob tube after dinner? I am seeking your honest recommendation here, not taking a shot at your own way of doing things.

I am not saying you can't use a gun to defend your family if someone were to kick your door in. If that makes you feel safe then you can certainly do as you please. I am saying that the ovewhelming amount of gun owners feel the same way you do and it is quite alarming to me. So no, I do not have an alternative answer for protecting you and your family if you truely are concerned about this happening. I was just out looking at my front door that has an Anderson door with a huge lockset and dead bolt. This door would be close to impossible to kick in. If I were a BG, I would just break a window.

I frankly can't relate to this. As I type this I am sitting in my easy chair with my back to my backyard window and yard, my wife is cooking some dinner (lucky me) my 16 year old is in the driveway working on his/my truck, and my 11 year old is in the (open garage) talking to my neighbor and her two kids.

NOWHERE is a gun to be found but in my safe. #1) Just because of the kids I mentioned, since I would prefer they not have access to a firearm without my knowledge.#2) because I live in an area where I am comfortable with my surroundings and don't feel that this is necessary even though we have had two home invasion murders including Pamela Vitale (famous case) who lived just down the road from me. #3) I still believe in basic humanity that there are more good people than the ones you see or read about in the news. I do not feel the need to live like a prisoner in my own home.

Now let me ask you a couple of questions.

Question #1
Should I not allow my kids to go outfront (where the front door is) and do these things I describe unsupervised? I live on a court so I have no concerns about vehicle traffic.

Question #2
Should I be sitting nearbly with my Corona (forgot to mention that) and a holstered weapon in the highly unlikely event that some rouge magazine salesman should happen by?

Question #3

Should I lock my family down and not let them venture out in public without armed security?

Question #4
Has our society broken down to the point that a simple family function can't be done without the presence of a firearm?

Question #5

When you sit "watching the boob tube" do you have your gun trained on the front door at all times? Ever fall asleep with the gun in your hand in your chair? Do you take it to the bathroom? When you are eating, do you have it on the dinner table or holstered on your body? I ask only to see what others do since I am possibly awaiting a disaster by not doing the same.

I ask these questions since the majority of gun owners in this forum feel differently than me and for that I am utterly amazed.Maybe my neighborhood (Mayberry RFD) is different than every body elses, but I have to believe that it is not the case.

Are there circumstances where your city or neighborhood may make you feel less safe? Possibly, and there may be the need to approach your daily activities differently.

When I read or see these terrible crimes happen I am saddened. I do not immediatley pull out my guns thinking that I am next. I have been labled as irresponsible for thinking this way. I just don't see it that way.

[The Director]

Joe,

I think the consensus is that a firearm certainly won't do you any good locked in a safe. Many people walk around with a gun in their pocket or a holster while at home. I do not.

I do however, have a couple weapons stashed and ready to go in strategic locations, because try as I might, it takes me a few seconds to open my safe.

I also live in a safe area, but you never know, you just never know. I have a gun handy for the same reason when i go sailing first thing I do is check all through hulls, count the life jackets, and check the fire extinguishers. I'm not planning on having a fire or sinking. I'm prepared.


You, through complacency or contentment are choosing not to be prepared, and that's entirely your prerogative.

[joepamjohn]

Joe,

I think the consensus is that a firearm certainly won't do you any good locked in a safe.

I do however, have a couple weapons stashed and ready to go in strategic locations, because try as I might, it takes me a few seconds to open my safe.

I'm prepared.

You, through complacency or contentment are choosing not to be prepared, and that's entirely your prerogative.

I can certainly see what the consensus is.You know you do bring up a few interesting points. "A gun will do you no good locked in a safe". That may be true, or not. I would argue that a larger number of people have been hurt or killed by far too many gun owners not having their firearms properly secured "stashed" in a safe because they were more concerned about the person outside than they were the people inside that they were attempting to protect, and a child or someone not intended to find the firearm gets shot or shoots another person with it.

I can say with all certainty that I hear about those tragic cases far more often than any home invasions. Now am I really being complacent and not prepared?

You may argue that someday I may wish I had a gun at the ready if I were to need it. I am coming up on 51 years old and have never, ever remotely had the slightest occaision where I felt I would have felt better off if I had a gun on me. Franlky, my paranoia would come in where being responsible for it would offset any comfort it would afford me by having it at the ready. I will take my chances and atleast my family is safe in another way. I will bet the statistics are also on my side. I feel I am being prepared too, just maybe not to your standards.

[Anothercoilgun]

Always after the fact, authorities to the rescue. Will add this link to CCW application. Good cause hits 10 pages and counting.

[Anothercoilgun]

And people call me 'paranoid' for having multiple CCTV cameras around my home.

I would call you "over to install some for me".

[Rob454]

I have a intercom WITH video.