Someone set me straight

[KAG]

If I understand the flowcharts completely...

I believe the majority of my long guns are safe... Bolt action and shotguns. I will leave the AR's out of state along with the pistolas and their high cap magazines and missing mag lock.

If my pistols are not on Californias list, can I still bring them into CA? I know my high capacity mag's are a no go... (along with any pistol that can fire with the magazine removed)

Again, if I understand the flowcharts completely. Someone set me straight if i am not reading the charts right, please.

[Cokebottle]

California roster does not impact new residents... you simply cannot purchase a new one from dealer stock.

Feel free to bring any and all of your handguns as long as they do not fall under AW regulations.
It doesn't have to be on the roster and it can fire with the mag out. It doesn't even have to have a safety.

Either find 10rd magazines, or take your high-caps apart and glue blocks to the bottom of the followers to limit them to 10rd.

[upinflames2400]

To my understanding, and im know professional, but you can bring in your pistols as long as there not on a ban list for pistols such as LEO only handguns etc. You just have to leave the high cap mags behind. As for your AR rifles, if they follow along the lines of being CA legal, before bringing them to CA buy a BB off the internet, install them into your gun out of state and leave the high cap mags behind once again. Im saying do this only if you were to install a BB and they followed the CA legal flowchart. Remember i am no expert in these legal matters but this is just what i gather from my understanding. Im sure some more seasoned calgunners will add them input to this post as well. I hoped i helped somewhat. Feel free to PM me as well.

[upinflames2400]

What he said about blocking the mags

California roster does not impact new residents... you simply cannot purchase a new one from dealer stock.

Feel free to bring any and all of your handguns as long as they do not fall under AW regulations.
It doesn't have to be on the roster and it can fire with the mag out. It doesn't even have to have a safety.

Either find 10rd magazines, or take your high-caps apart and glue blocks to the bottom of the followers to limit them to 10rd.

[Cokebottle]

but you can bring in your pistols as long as there not on a ban list for pistols such as LEO only handguns etc.

The only "ban list" is the AW list.

Oh ya... and California considers the Taurus Judge to be an SBS, so it can't come in. It is one of a very few non-AW pistols that violates California's idea of NFA.

[KAG]

My AR's have a pistol grip and one has a telescoping stock. I have located a nice home where they can reside while I am in CA. (sorry guys, it is not a permanent move, just 2 years or so)

So I can bring all my pistols (as long as I register them and pay $19/pistol, and leave behind the high caps?)? I won't modify my mag's, as once again, this is not a permanent move, and I understand the modification must be permanent.

[Cokebottle]

As long as your ARs are not on one of the two AW lists, you can bring them as long as you replace the mag release with a bullet button.
$25, takes about 3 minutes to swap.

[KAG]

2 Bushmasters... And I see Bushmaster Assault Rifle on the list. Although mine are not assault rifles, for they have never assaulted anyone, myself included, even though I do hide them away for long periods of time and then expect them to work at a moments notice... But I digress...

I read that list to mean my Bushies are not welcome.

[Cokebottle]

2 Bushmasters... And I see Bushmaster Assault Rifle on the list. Although mine are not assault rifles, for they have never assaulted anyone, myself included, even though I do hide them away for long periods of time and then expect them to work at a moments notice... But I digress...

I read that list to mean my Bushies are not welcome.

Ya... the State of California has determined that your Bushmasters are more evil than an AR built on a Spikes lower.

You can always build a new lower and swap your buttstock and upper onto it and bring it in.

[Deadbolt]

wait what about preban mags?


I have 2x 12 round mags for my 91 S&W 6906 (semi auto 3rd gen s&w pistol) - are these in violation ?!

[for2nato]

if you bring them to california they are. unless you have owned them in california since before 2000

[KAG]

From my understanding, if you had your high cap mags before a certain date in CA you are not in violation.

But you cannot sell them to anyone other than LE.

And... you cannot take them out of state and re-enter the state with them, otherwise you have broken the law.

Of course, I may be seriously wrong, but I am pretty sure that's how I read things.

edit - for2nato got the date

Also, the statute of limitations is 3 years... So if you have had the mags for 4 years, you are good.

[Deadbolt]

Ok riddle me this :


I bought a NIB 6906 w/ 2x 12 round mags in 2000 from a FFL01 ( local business - did DROS / HSC / etc..etc... all good so long and thanks for the shoes, etc.. )

is that bad juju ? They are OEM mags w/ the NIB (new in box, basically the pistol had been sitting around the shop since 91 until i bought it ) - do those classify as pre ban ? or are they in violation ?

I only ask because i want to be letter of the law abiding as possible - thanks in advance

[Cokebottle]

But you cannot sell them to anyone other than LE.

You can disassemble them and sell the parts kits to anyone.

They can ONLY use them to repair magazines that they had prior to the ban. "Repair" can consist of replacing all parts, so long as they do not end up with more high-caps than they had at the beginning of the ban.

IOTW: If you have a 30rd Pmag (plastic body), you can sell the disassembled magazine to someone with an older steel C-Products mag that has bent feed lips, a weak spring, and a worn follower.
They can legally disassemble the C-Products mag and replace it with the Pmag.

And... you cannot take them out of state and re-enter the state with them, otherwise you have broken the law.

Nope.

The law says nothing about leaving and reentering the state. The law simply states that you must have "possessed" the magazines in California prior to the ban.
By the letter of the law, an AZ resident that brought his high-caps into California when he visited a friend in 1988 can legally bring them back today.

Also, the statute of limitations is 3 years... So if you have had the mags for 4 years, you are good.

Correct.

[Cokebottle]

Ok riddle me this :


I bought a NIB 6906 w/ 2x 12 round mags this year from a FFL01 ( local business - did DROS / HSC / etc..etc... all good so long and thanks for the shoes, etc.. )

is that bad juju ? They are OEM mags w/ the NIB (new in box, basically the pistol had been sitting around the shop since 91 until i bought it ) - do those classify as pre ban ? or are they in violation ?

I only ask because i want to be letter of the law abiding as possible - thanks in advance

Again... completely FORGET the term pre-ban.
It does not apply the way California law is written.

YOU had to have possessed those magazines in the state of California prior to 2000. The Federal AW ban went into effect in 1994. That ban prohibited the manufacture of NEW high-capacity magazines for purposes other than LEO/Military. High-capacity magazines made from 1994 to 2004 are often marked "LE ONLY".


In your example, the 01FFL would be in violation of the law for "offering for sale" of high-cap magazines.
It is NOT a violation of the law to possess or use the magazines.

The crimes are:
Importation (bringing them in or ordering one from a vendor outside of California)
Manufacture (assembling a legal parts kit other than as a replacement for a magazine that you already have)
Offering for sale (gift would be included, the "sale" price would be $0)
Offering to lend.