Pro Gun Argument in CA, please help me!

[WW2Buff]

Hey Guys,

I am a senior at a high school in Sacramento and have been getting in some arguments regarding gun laws lately in my AP Government class. My teacher is totally open minded and enjoys the knowledge I share regarding the laws that I have learned off of this website and is also open to debate. While I feel relatively up to date on laws I was wondering if any members know of some legitimate pro gun facts regarding gun laws in California, especially the AWB. Anything you think would back my argument would be excellent and much appreciated.

Thanks a lot,
Ben

[joelberg]

This should help.

[stix213]

If guns are to blame for gun violence, then matches are to blame for arson.

[Matt C]

Be very careful what you say if you own guns (or your family does), especially if your teacher and the majority of students disagree with you. All it takes is one phone call and your house gets raided and all your "illegal arsenal" gets dragged out for the media. You might want to start carrying a tape recorder.

[Sicarius]

Does this pertain to just ca or in the US in general?
Guns are tools. Bad people do bad things with whatever they can get their hands on. If it wern't guns, it be knives or swords. Look at AUS and England. England had to reclassify violent crime to not include stabbings because stabbings went up... In AUS, from the gun ban, people started using swords which then caused a sword ban... It is the individual not the tool is what I am saying. Legit people don't buy guns off the street. Bad people don't care where they get them and unfortunately, illegal firearms are very obtainable. Bans only effect law abiding people... A person has the right to defend themselves. If you want to pull history into it, our country was founded on that very principal... against England. Every tyranical leader in history's first order was to disarm the citizens. Without the capability to defend themselves, they are at the governments whims. Look up the definition of government too...

These are just ideas to look into... Sorry if it sounds like a rant because I didn't mean it to sound that way.
Kevin

[Librarian]

That depends on what argument you're trying to make. The Gun Facts document linked above has a lot of good information, but if you could offer some more about what you want to support or refute, we may be able to help you more.

[dchang0]

Dig up the ruling (I believe it was US Supreme Court) that says that the police are under no obligation to provide protection/defense for citizens. That's usually a surprise to the naive. Realizing that defense of their persons/bodies is legally their own responsibility can educate normally clueless students/people.

[916Plinker]

Be very careful what you say if you own guns (or your family does), especially if your teacher and the majority of students disagree with you. All it takes is one phone call and your house gets raided and all your "illegal arsenal" gets dragged out for the media. You might want to start carrying a tape recorder.

Unfortunatly, in Cali you are a minority. PRO-GUN. Keep raising the red flag about your "Gun Crazy" ideas and especially in high school things get blown out of proportion, let alone in a democrat state. I applaud your passion, however I have to agree with blackwater, wrong place to talk guns. Further more it can take up to 21 days for BATF to send you a refund check to fix your front door.

[kf6tac]

Dig up the ruling (I believe it was US Supreme Court) that says that the police are under no obligation to provide protection/defense for citizens. That's usually a surprise to the naive. Realizing that defense of their persons/bodies is legally their own responsibility can educate normally clueless students/people.

Castle Rock v. Gonzales is the case.

[tophatjones]

Hi, although it's not Ca specific, there are lots of good 2A arguments in Heller.

I think what you're doing is great, don't let some of these guys get you down. Support what you believe in without sounding like a nut, and people will begin to listen no matter how stubborn they are. Although this state is heading that way, you don't live in a Communist environment yet, and there isn't a secret police hunting after strong, free willed thinkers. Just don't go around parading with evil looking arms. I do understand where these guys are coming from though, they've been through some tough legal conflicts with the state of CA.

[AlbcAlbrr]

Castle Rock v. Gonzales is the case.

[AlbcAlbrr]

Castle Rock v. Gonzales is the case.

It's Warren v. District of Columbia From Wikipedia:

Warren v. District of Columbia[1] (444 A.2d. 1, D.C. Ct. of Ap. 1981) is a U.S. Court of Appeals case in which three rape victims sued the District of Columbia because of negligence on the part of the police. Two of three female roommates were upstairs when they heard men break in and attack the third. After repeated calls to the police over half an hour, the roommate's screams stopped, and they assumed the police had arrived. They went downstairs and were held captive, raped, robbed, beaten, and forced to commit sexual acts upon one another and to submit to the attackers' sexual demands for 14 hours. The police had lost track of the repeated calls for assistance. DC's highest court ruled that the police do not have a legal responsibility to provide personal protection to individuals, and absolved the police and the city of any liability.[2]

[kf6tac]

Right. They held that even when you're protected by a restraining order, the police have no specific obligation to you as an individual to protect you. 42 USC 1983, by the way, is the federal statute allowing you to sue those who deprive you of your rights under color of state or local law.

Warren vs. District of Columbia is only the law within Washington, D.C. The D.C. Court of Appeals is the DC version of a state supreme court.

[Corbin Dallas]

Blaming guns on crime is the same as blaming the spoon on obesity.

[oaklander]

This is good:

http://www.gunfacts.info/

Gun Facts - Your Guide to Debunking Gun Control Myths

INTRODUCTION: Gun Facts is a free e-book that debunks common myths about gun control. It is intended as a reference guide for journalists, activists, politicians, and other people interested in restoring honesty to the debate about guns, crime, and the 2nd Amendment.

Gun Facts has 98 pages of information. Divided into chapters based on gun control topics (assault weapons, ballistic finger printing, firearm availability, etc.), finding information is quick and easy.

Each chapter lists common gun control myths, then lists a number of documented and cited facts (with nearly 500 detailed footnotes). Thus when a neighbor, editor or politician repeats some sound bite about firearm control policy, you can quickly find that myth then rebuke with real information.

Links to download the Gun Facts book are below. Other e-documents on other pages of this site are for special gun control issues, with most data lifted from the Gun Facts book.