My 15 Minute MS2 review

[bombadillo]

Well, I just got out my MS2 out of the box and I can say it will take a bit of getting used to. First off it was a 1" webbing instead of the 1.5" that i'm used to so it felt almost too thin, but strong and soft. The pull point that is used on the MS2 is really difficult to move around at first while in 2 point mode but I am guessing that with some more use its going to clean up some. The "Lock Jaw" issue is really a non-issue with me because people say it won't clip to anything and that its too thick, but with a CQD mounted with the loop facing the operator, it hooks right in there with no problems at all. I didn't have to grind any material away or change a thing. I think I may at some point just to make it easier to get to and kind of round things out a bit but for basic utility there is no problem using it right out of the box with a CQD attachment point.

The problem I had was that to use it in a single point mode, to get it up high enough you really had to cinch things down to keep it from whacking your knees. When you move back to a 2 point mode, the adjustment loop is almost up into your armpit making it near impossible to change around. My fix is to adjust the initial amount of takeup that the sling has so it mounts properly in 2 point mode, then when you put it back to single point mode, change the adjustment of the strap from fat man to not so fat man mode. It is kind of hard to explain but I will say when you get it, make sure you adjust the sling in 2 point mode to be comfortable first, then clip it into single point, and adjust the loop to make things easy.

[Seesm]

Nice review... Thanks I have only tried one that was set up and it felt ok... The one my new buddy is building are for sale on here... He makes his go from 1 inch up to 2 inch so they are more comfy btw...

I will be sellings ome soon with a few changes of my own... Not Magpuls but maybe even better!!

[lorax3]

Mine took a lot of getting used to. It even took myself and another Calgunner to get it properly fitted. TBH, I do not think I even fully comprehend all the damn positions you can wear that thing in.

Wore it with the AR to the last gunshow and it worked nicely.

I am a fan of the soft material, much nicer then some of the other rougher material I have seen.

[bombadillo]

I am not really "Impressed" by it but it will work for a single point very proficiently. It is a decent sling at a bit high of a price. I really like my boonie packer slings and will get a single point that I may adapt to make it something similar to the MS2. I am going to play with the 2 point slings some more and see what I really like and will need either way. I'm like you Lorax, I can't even begin to use all the positions they potentially call for but i'm learning as I go along.

[esskay]

Well, I just got out my MS2 out of the box and I can say it will take a bit of getting used to. First off it was a 1" webbing instead of the 1.5" that i'm used to so it felt almost too thin, but strong and soft. The pull point that is used on the MS2 is really difficult to move around at first while in 2 point mode but I am guessing that with some more use its going to clean up some. The "Lock Jaw" issue is really a non-issue with me because people say it won't clip to anything and that its too thick, but with a CQD mounted with the loop facing the operator, it hooks right in there with no problems at all. I didn't have to grind any material away or change a thing. I think I may at some point just to make it easier to get to and kind of round things out a bit but for basic utility there is no problem using it right out of the box with a CQD attachment point.

Interesting, you're not the only not having any issues, I wonder if more recent CQD loops are larger, or more recent MS/2 lockjaws are smaller...

[bombadillo]

I am just using the flat side of the ms2's lockjaw to lock into the ring. It is a tight fit but it fits nevertheless. I think people may be trying to lock it in there the opposite way I am. I'll take pics tonight.

[esskay]

I am just using the flat side of the ms2's lockjaw to lock into the ring. It is a tight fit but it fits nevertheless. I think people may be trying to lock it in there the opposite way I am. I'll take pics tonight.

I finally dug my CQD out of my parts drawer to play with it. I can see now that the only way to get the lockjaw to articulate the way I like with the CQD would be not only to remove some material from the CQD's loop, but I would also have to trim down the flat side of the lockjaw too!

Since I had the CQD near the rear of my handguard I didn't like how the lockjaw lay flat on the receiver and stuck way back. I'll give it another try to see if I can live with it. Would have to be sure to lock down the lockjaw whenever clipping into the CQD, as last time it released a couple times inadvertently.

[bombadillo]

Well, just to resurrect an old thread but pertinent to sling users, I got 3 different slings to try out. The first two came from boonie packer on recommendation of rabagly and I've gotta say they are awesome. They feel built like a tank, they're not metal which I actually prefer, and they're made just north in Oregon so they come in really quite quickly. The first one I got was the boonie packer 2P-TQA-C cinchable quick adjust sling. It took a bit of playing with to understand exactly how it worked (mainly because i'm new to slings but it was a bit of a mess from the bag) but after I got it all sorted out it worked like a champ. Very easy to move from one position to the other. It is a 2 point which I find that I like more and more for both stabilization and transportation than a 1 point or 3 point which I feel there is more to screw around with. Here is the first one:


I purposely left the long edges out there as I was getting used to where I wanted it and now i'm ready to cut the edges and burn them so they don't fray. If you're looking for a Vickers type 2 pt sling that is built like a tank, I would highly suggest this. At a WHOPPING 20.95 and no tax and hardly a penny for shipping it worked out great. Link to it is Here!




The next one I took a look at was a cheaper sling yet (BTW the first one at 20.95 is the most expensive one they had! ) it was 12.95 and a simpler design made for only 2 positions; Carry, and firing. It has a little notch in it to slip the adjustment piece over and made for a "patrol" carry I think is what they call it, which allows you to carry it without it in the way. You can easily flip it over to your back without anything coming loose. For this one because it is going on an A2 buttstock I did need the 2.95 adapter that they offer on the site. After playing with it for awhile, I decided to change things up on it. I readjusted the sling setup and basically made it a non cinchable version of the 2P-TQA-C with just a flip of the strap. It worked out well for me and pictured here:



There was a ton of slack on it which I taped and cut to get it out of the way. It is also built very well for 13 dollars and I don't forsee it breaking anytime soon. I attached it in the front with a sling swivel and stud on a VTAC rail which works well as I can adjust it from the side or bottom depending on how i'm shooting or if I need the bottom stud for a bipod. Anyway, just wanted to follow up and show what a great deal these were. Link to the second sling is Here:
Boonie packer sling


As a side note I bought the MS2 from Magpul and the ASAP on the recommendation and after a $40 CQD mount, the $30 ASAP plate, and the $55 MS2 sling it cost 120 plus out the door with shipping and it still isn't as good as the boonie packer slings IMO. The MS2 seems hard to adjust, it never fit well no matter what position it came in and you're likely to see it in the classifieds section in the next week or so. I just can't get used to how it works. I will probably keep the ASAP and use a Boonie Packer single point sling instead.

[bombadillo]

I quoted my own part of a thread for this because I gave up on the MS2 sling. I'm done with the Kool-aid from mag-pul. I like a lot of their products as grips and the stocks, but for me, the little add-ons that people MUST have because of the cute little M on the logo. I have had bad luck of all things with their mags sticking worse than any other brand i've used. They are easy to turn into 10/20 and 10/30 mags but for me thats about all. I just can't get the MS2 to function as I'd like it and it feels almost too narrow for my desires. I like the concept and Mr. Kevlar Beard himself Chris Costa makes the product look tacticool and functional but for me I couldn't even handle it around the house and it made a semi-decent 2 pt. sling and an OK 1 point sling after using it. I'll stick with Vickers or a Boonie packer though.

[Mute]

I think the location of the CQD plays a big role in the desirability of the MS2/CQD combination. I have my CQD mounted very far forward on the rail and prefer to have the lockjaw static, and parallel to the rail as opposed to freely moving inside the CQD loop.

I can see where that could be less than ideal if the CQD is mounted further back like esskay has it.

I personally think the MS2 works best primarily as a single point, and the 2 point mode should be use mainly for portage as oppose to being used while shooting (like a Vikings or Larue sling).

[bombadillo]

I think I'll give it another go and move the CQD back. The only issue I foresee in that is that it'll make a very short length between the 2 points and cause it to be a little loose in carrying it slung around your back with muzzle up. It may cause some extra play, but I haven't put it in the classifieds yet so we'll see. It may grow on me with some more time but at this point I still like the 2 point better.

[esskay]

I think the location of the CQD plays a big role in the desirability of the MS2/CQD combination. I have my CQD mounted very far forward on the rail and prefer to have the lockjaw static, and parallel to the rail as opposed to freely moving inside the CQD loop.

I can see where that could be less than ideal if the CQD is mounted further back like esskay has it.

I personally think the MS2 works best primarily as a single point, and the 2 point mode should be use mainly for portage as oppose to being used while shooting (like a Vikings or Larue sling).

Ah, very good point, that's an important distinction! What I was working toward was a setup on my AR where for use with the MS/2 (primarily single pt with 2pt mode only as you describe above) with ASAP plate for rear mount and CQD at rear of handguard for front clip in. Then I also have a VTAC 2 pt sling which mounts to QD socket on the rear of my stock and to a QD socket at the front of my handguard. Have trained with both systems and each has their pros/cons. Choice of which sling I would run goes to the specific need at hand (e.g. for self defense in the tight quarters of my home I'd clip in the MS/2, for other situations might use the VTAC).

btw, the MS/2 sling does not adjust length too easily, and I had some issues with optimizing the length settings when going between single pt mode and clipping into a mount too far forward on the handguard.

As to the Boonie Packer slings, I've posted about those before too, while I don't have one, they are a smoking bargain. Glad to see another positive review of them.

[bombadillo]

btw, the MS/2 sling does not adjust length too easily, and I had some issues with optimizing the length settings when going between single pt mode and clipping into a mount too far forward on the handguard.

As to the Boonie Packer slings, I've posted about those before too, while I don't have one, they are a smoking bargain. Glad to see another positive review of them.

You've got that right with the adjustment settings not being easy. That is probably the single thing that is the most frustrating. You can actually twist one of the straps if you adjust it too fast which to me is just garbage. It seems as though it just needs another 1/2" of width to help with that issue.


As for Boonie Packer slings, they're one of the best deals i've found for any USA made product.

[esskay]

You've got that right with the adjustment settings not being easy. That is probably the single thing that is the most frustrating. You can actually twist one of the straps if you adjust it too fast which to me is just garbage. It seems as though it just needs another 1/2" of width to help with that issue.

As for Boonie Packer slings, they're one of the best deals i've found for any USA made product.

IMO, what really makes modern 2pt slings effective is the quick adjust capability. I have both Viking and Vickers slings and I find the Viking to be the easiest & quickest to adjust, plus able to easily make really small adjustments either way and then stay put -- which makes it really effective as a shooting aid when slinging up in unsupported positions. Of course a downside of the Viking is the tail, which usually is not a problem, but on occasion I've heard of folks who accidentally jammed up a magazine change because the tail found itself into the well! The inability of the MS/2 to adjust easily disqualifies it for shooting use, so for me makes its 2pt mode just for transport.

How easily does the Boonie Packer adjust (either way)?

[Plisk]

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=4521/Product/M_4_USGI_BARREL_MOUNT_SWIVEL

I use one of these for my MS2. I'm still getting use to mine too.