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  • #46
    Capt. Speirs
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2008
    • 1232

    Originally posted by Mitch
    I find it strange that someone calling himself "Capt Speirs" would have to ask this question.
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    • #47
      Mitch
      Mostly Harmless
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Mar 2008
      • 6574

      I know that argument.

      But I am very specific in my use of language and I also would prefer to educate rather than obfuscate.

      Though I was never in the military, much of my firearms knowledge and experience has been derived from people and writers who were, and I tend to accept their terminology. I rarely refer to "guns," always "firearms," "handguns" ("pistols" only if they are semi-automatic), "shotguns," etc. "Weapon" is just a synonym for "firearm," typically employed in a sentence where I have already used one of the former terms and don't wish to repeat myself. It's just a practical and accurate term, but rarely a first choice.

      A racing car is a "vehicle," though it is not used to transport anyone or anything anywhere. It's just a special, sporting variety of "vehicle." Though all my firearms were purchased and are possessed for sporting uses, at the end of the day they were designed to be weapons. There is no getting away from this, especially with regard to the many, many milsurp rifles and handguns I own. They were undoubtedly designed and produced to be weapons.

      I make no apology for that, even though I think it's a little sad that such beautiful and enjoyable machines were designed to kill people. Too bad.

      "Weapon" is also a useful reminder, for those of us who find ourselves being casual around guns (I work with guns every day), of what they are capable of doing if they are misused.

      I have taken a fair number of nominally anti-gun people out shooting. My success in changing their attitudes has had much more to do with the principles I communicated to them than with the actual terminology I used.
      Originally posted by cockedandglocked
      Getting called a DOJ shill has become a rite of passage around here. I've certainly been called that more than once - I've even seen Kes get called that. I haven't seen Red-O get called that yet, which is very suspicious to me, and means he's probably a DOJ shill.

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      • #48
        SDI
        Member
        • Aug 2008
        • 292

        Originally posted by Capt. Speirs
        Ok, here goes...Why do we call our guns a weapon? We don't call baseball bats a weapon, until it is used as one. We don't call screwdrivers a weapon, until it is used as one. So why do we call Guns a weapon? Some never intend to use their guns as weapons and until you do, it is a gun, rifle, pistol, or whatever its birth name was. I asking this because, I think non gun owners or general public would react differently if we called them rifles, pistols, shotguns, and not weapons. Just a thought, what do you think?
        I don't usually call them weapons. When teaching NRA classes I am not even allowed to call them weapons!
        If I am asked what I do, I say I am a Firearms Instructor, not a Weapons Instructor.
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        • #49
          MudCamper
          Veteran Member
          • Mar 2007
          • 4605

          People need to get over their irrational fear of weapons. They need to come to the realization that weapons can be used to do good or evil. It all depends on who's hands they are in. We need more good people wielding weapons. Gun control laws leave only evil people with weapons.

          Further, I HATE any and all politically correct language filters. Call it like it is.

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          • #50
            SgtDinosaur
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2008
            • 1386

            You're the disease, and I'm the cure.
            That's the spirit!
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            • #51
              Thefeeder
              Calguns Addict
              • Jun 2007
              • 5007

              So, what is your favorite Skeet weapon? Conventional 900 weapon? Your favorite Duck hunting weapon? Your favorite Silhouette weapon? Your favorite Light Rifle Match
              weapon?

              Starting to sound funny?

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              • #52
                Vanguard
                Calguns Addict
                • Mar 2009
                • 7235

                Originally posted by Thefeeder
                So, what is your favorite Skeet weapon? Conventional 900 weapon? Your favorite Duck hunting weapon? Your favorite Silhouette weapon? Your favorite Light Rifle Match
                weapon?

                Starting to sound funny?
                "Weapon" is a catagory that they all fall into, not a proper name. They are all weapons. You wouldn't use the word in the context you're using.

                I would say something like "I had a weapon jam" or "I clean my weapons after every range trip".
                "We're surrounded.....that simplifies our problem."
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                -Dimitri, I'm sorry they're jamming your radar and flying so low, but they're trained to do it. You know, it's, it's initiative!-

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                • #53
                  Mitch
                  Mostly Harmless
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 6574

                  Originally posted by Vanguard
                  "Weapon" is a catagory that they all fall into, not a proper name. They are all weapons. You wouldn't use the word in the context you're using.

                  I would say something like "I had a weapon jam" or "I clean my weapons after every range trip".
                  This morning, in another post, I referred to a number of guns in the back of my SUV. That's because there were different kinds back there, shotguns, rifles, handguns, etc. When referring to a handgun, I say handgun. I almost never use the word gun when referring to a single particular firearm.

                  Weapon is just a synonym for gun, though I find I use weapon singular almost exclusively, never plural. I don't know why. And I will also use a sentence like, "Pick up the handgun and ensure the weapon is unloaded," though I would never say, "Pick up the handgun and ensure the gun is unloaded." Not sure why. Force of habit, I guess.

                  But I agree with Mudcamper: the NRA's ban on the use of weapon is a form of political correctness which is repellent to me no matter who is promoting it.
                  Originally posted by cockedandglocked
                  Getting called a DOJ shill has become a rite of passage around here. I've certainly been called that more than once - I've even seen Kes get called that. I haven't seen Red-O get called that yet, which is very suspicious to me, and means he's probably a DOJ shill.

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                  • #54
                    team1320
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 883

                    i call mine weapons of mass destruction
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                    • #55
                      thebloodsonthewall
                      Senior Member
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 1143

                      I call them weapons most of the time because in basic training we called them weapons and we still call them weapons more often than not. So, that is what I got used to calling them.

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                      • #56
                        Vanguard
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 7235

                        I prefer the terms:

                        Bambi Killer
                        Bunny Blaster
                        Kitten Popper

                        ...but I only use those terms when I'm around children and liberals.


                        What?
                        "We're surrounded.....that simplifies our problem."
                        -Chesty Puller-

                        "Don't forget that you're First Marines! Not all the Communists in hell can overrun you!"
                        -Chesty Puller-

                        -Dimitri, I'm sorry they're jamming your radar and flying so low, but they're trained to do it. You know, it's, it's initiative!-

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                        • #57
                          Irv
                          Member
                          • Apr 2005
                          • 304

                          I called it a weapon. Heaven help you if you called it a gun.
                          With our favorite personality speaker yelling at you half an inch from your face,
                          This is your weapon and this is for fighting, This is your gun and this for fun.
                          It wasn't fun running with your company as you held your crotch.

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                          • #58
                            WeekendWarrior
                            Veteran Member
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 3536

                            WWRTW
                            Last edited by WeekendWarrior; 07-30-2014, 3:30 PM.
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                            • #59
                              Seesm
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 7812

                              Originally posted by Southbay
                              I call them weapons because that is what they are. One of the most silly things I hear them called is tools, tools are something use you build or fix something, if it makes you feel better to call them tools you probably should not own one.
                              YOU can build stuff with a tool (rifle or handgun) You can build good relationships or FIX relationships... I am just saying.

                              Originally posted by SgtDinosaur
                              My mind is the weapon. Everything else is just a tool.
                              Heck yes I like that

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                              • #60
                                Beelzy
                                Calguns Addict
                                • Apr 2008
                                • 9224

                                Originally posted by Vanguard
                                I prefer the terms:

                                Bambi Killer
                                Bunny Blaster
                                Kitten Popper
                                Ahh, that takes me back. I had a Arsenal Garand I nicknamed "Bunny Buster".


                                I call all mine Lucille, good code word for discussing guns in front of sheeple.
                                "I kill things for a living, don't make yourself one of them"

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