Flying Brass....

[nagorb]

I'll try to be real clear the quote you used does NOT refer to YOU, how you can misread it is beyond me.

[niceguy]

I always figured raining brass came with the territory.

That's what I always thought. I actually get a good laugh out of it. Well, lessin one of them goes down the back of my shirt... can get a tad uncomfortable.

[ConcernedCitizen]

Just watched an episode of PDTV where the Springfield Armory rep hands his XDm over to the host to shoot some. Five rounds later, the rep starts laughing and says "You hit me in the nose with every cartridge!"

Or you can get pissed about it.

[prob]

On a more serious note.

Almost none of the people here think that we're entitled to sling brass at other range patrons. I always put up my brass screen, and apologize if the brass still hits others (when some buddies who were lefties where shooting, for example). If I get hit, I shrug it off. Yeah, it's annoying, but again, it's a range. Flying brass, loud noise, yellow-jackets and dust *ARE* part of going to the range.

The reason you're being attacked, Prob, is because you're displaying a prissy, entitled attitude. Most of us accept the fact that, when you go the range, you can likely get hit by brass, and that you will likely be discomfited by other factors (temp, loudness, etc). Going to the range is not like going to a steakhouse.

You say all the right things about being careful about slinging brass at other range patrons. But if you were to go back and read the posts in this thread with the eyes of a stranger, that is NOT the impression you would walk away with. In almost every case where I have promoted range etiquette, I have been answered by a plethora of rude comments made as pejoratively as possible. Perhaps you don't care for my responses but if you go back and read your own original post, you'll see that you had no reservations at all about writing a disparaging comment.

Thanks for the acknowledgment that you are indeed attacking me. Of course, I'm not surprised. It is, after all, the internet.

I don't think asking for common courtesy is being prissy by a longshot. I've made my position crystal clear, yet you and others have made a point of singling me out and purposefully not focusing on the issues I've brought up. As I've mentioned time after time, it is the guy who comes and batters people with the ejection of high velocity brass that I have consistently made reference to. Yet it is ignored time and again by those with an axe to grind. And in case you're wondering, I'm not concerned with just my health and well-being, but the welfare of others as well. So if you think that's a prissy and entitled attitude, well, then, this hobby has certainly fallen to a new low.

And as a matter of record, I have never once mentioned noise except to castigate others who have mindlessly brought it into the fray. What's is this preoccupation with noise? Why are people bringing it up?

[bigmike82]

"In almost every case where I have promoted range etiquette"
It's not what you say, it's how you're saying it. You come across as prissy and judgemental. And suddenly people disagree with you, and you take it as a personal insult and make it seem like its the end of the world.

"you'll see that you had no reservations at all about writing a disparaging comment."
Seriously? You're whining about this *after* you made a knuckle-dragging reference? I think the quote about the mote and log come to mind here.

"Of course, I'm not surprised."
Considering your attitude, you shouldn't be.

"I've made my position crystal clear"
In a manner which rubbed damn near everyone here the wrong way.

"but the welfare of others as well."
Lol. Sure you are.

"Why are people bringing it up?"
Because, for most of us, it is a simple environmental factor that goes hand in hand with shooting. Just like dust. Just like dirt. Just like flying brass.

I've got nothing else to say, except that instead of sitting here playing the victim, you may want to look back and try to figure out why this many people are willing to take the time to call you on your attitude. No one here says slinging brass irresponsibily is okay.

[prob]

I'll try to be real clear the quote you used does NOT refer to YOU, how you can misread it is beyond me.

You are using it in direct reference to the conversation. Are your synapses not firing properly? I mean, really, how could anyone with any sense not see that?

Frankly, this little tangent is embarrassingly silly.

I no longer consider you a worthy opponent and will not engage you in conversation again.

[nagorb]

You are using it in direct reference to the conversation. Are your synapses not firing properly? I mean, really, how could anyone with any sense not see that?

Frankly, this little tangent is embarrassingly silly.

I no longer consider you a worthy opponent and will not engage you in conversation again.

Wow complain about people attacking you and this is how you act?

It was in reference to people getting mad at normal things that go on at the range. Again you completely miss the point. You said that I was directly said you have a problem with loud noise at the range. You cant find proof that I said this so you back out of the conversation you started?

When you write a post look back over it and take your own advice before posting.

[prob]

"In almost every case where I have promoted range etiquette"
It's not what you say, it's how you're saying it. You come across as prissy and judgemental. And suddenly people disagree with you, and you take it as a personal insult and make it seem like its the end of the world.

"you'll see that you had no reservations at all about writing a disparaging comment."
Seriously? You're whining about this *after* you made a knuckle-dragging reference? I think the quote about the mote and log come to mind here.

"Of course, I'm not surprised."
Considering your attitude, you shouldn't be.

"I've made my position crystal clear"
In a manner which rubbed damn near everyone here the wrong way.

"but the welfare of others as well."
Lol. Sure you are.

"Why are people bringing it up?"
Because, for most of us, it is a simple environmental factor that goes hand in hand with shooting. Just like dust. Just like dirt. Just like flying brass.

I've got nothing else to say, except that instead of sitting here playing the victim, you may want to look back and try to figure out why this many people are willing to take the time to call you on your attitude. No one here says slinging brass irresponsibily is okay.

That makes two of us. I'm done with this. I could easily counter your arguments, but I'm not going to. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

[L4D]

I love the flying brass and loud noises.

If it gets annoying ill say something, if I become annoying I hope someone tells me.

[Farquaad]

Both of you guys must have some very serious reading disabilities. The only person talking about loud noises was the guy who made a pathetic attempt at trying to be clever. Do all of us a favor and make sure you understand what you're posting about before actually pressing the SUBMIT REPLY button.

I have no reading disability, actually at this point I'm just rather amused. My "pathetic" attempts to be clever obviously had their intended effect. You are obviously getting way more worked up about this than anyone else.

[SnWnMe]

People who go to the range and complain about getting hit by flying brass are mental midgets. It's like going to the beach and complaining about getting sand on their feet and the sun giving them a tan.

[M47_Dragon]

People who go to the range and complain about getting hit by flying brass are mental midgets. It's like going to the beach and complaining about getting sand on their feet and the sun giving them a tan.

I agree.

I know prob said he was done in this thread, but he is the type than needs to have the last word. To prove my point, I will sign off with this:

Prop [sic], the next time you go to the range, bring some rags -- soak them in kerosene and tie them around your ankles. This will keep the ants from running up your legs and eating your candy@$$.

Peace, my brother.

[nagorb]

I agree.

I know prob said he was done in this thread, but he is the type than needs to have the last word. To prove my point, I will sign off with this:

Prop [sic], the next time you go to the range, bring some rags -- soak them in kerosene and tie them around your ankles. This will keep the ants from running up your legs and eating your candy@$$.

Peace, my brother.

I'm still waiting for him to prove what he accused me of doing. but maybe its not worth the continued conversation in which HE engaged ME in.

[GraveTPO]

I know Prob very well and he is highly regarded professionally and socially by all that know him.

He has probably forgotten more about firearms and shooting than any of you who attack him will ever know. I don't know this factually but I would reasonably bet that he also visits various shooting ranges more frequently and shoots more than the vast majority of posters on this board, thus his experience with unwanted flying brass. (If you shoot at least once week and have been doing so for the past 30 years, then you have him beat in this department.)

Prob is also the most generous and gracious person I have ever known. He constantly introduces people to our sport and selflessly allows them to shoot as much of his expensive and hard to get ammunition as they wish. (No, he doesn't hoard it for some never gonna happen shtf situation, he actually shoots it.) Wonder how many of you guys do that? By the way, what do you think a person newly introduced to shooting will take away from the experience when they have to dodge hot, fast moving cases?

Additionally, he maintains himself in peak physical condition through a daily regimen of hard exercise. I would be surprised indeed if those keyboard warriors who call him a candya** could keep up with even one tenth of Prob's physical fitness routine.

One thing about Prob though; he does not tolerate rudeness in any way, shape or form and I think it is reasonable to conclude that thoughtlessly casting your high velocity brass in another shooter's direction is rude.

The bottom line is, if you shoot an autoloader it's your responsibility to know where the brass is going.

Don't be a D***.

[nagorb]

I know Prob very well and he is highly regarded professionally and socially by all that know him.

He has probably forgotten more about firearms and shooting than any of you who attack him will ever know. I don't know this factually but I would reasonably bet that he also visits various shooting ranges more frequently and shoots more than the vast majority of posters on this board, thus his experience with unwanted flying brass. (If you shoot at least once week and have been doing so for the past 30 years, then you have him beat in this department.)

Prob is also the most generous and gracious person I have ever known. He constantly introduces people to our sport and selflessly allows them to shoot as much of his expensive and hard to get ammunition as they wish. (No, he doesn't hoard it for some never gonna happen shtf situation, he actually shoots it.) Wonder how many of you guys do that? By the way, what do you think a person newly introduced to shooting will take away from the experience when they have to dodge hot, fast moving cases?

Additionally, he maintains himself in peak physical condition through a daily regimen of hard exercise. I would be surprised indeed if those keyboard warriors who call him a candya** could keep up with even one tenth of Prob's physical fitness routine.

One thing about Prob though; he does not tolerate rudeness in any way, shape or form and I think it is reasonable to conclude that thoughtlessly casting your high velocity brass in another shooter's direction is rude.

The bottom line is, if you shoot an autoloader it's your responsibility to know where the brass is going.

Don't be a D***.