Firearm safety speech.

[mmartin]

What a surprise..you don't agree... You really need to come to your senses and decide if the effort and anguish to do this are really worth the scorn you will bring upon yourself after the project is over with.

I really have a dim view of how we (gunnies) are treated in many areas, but I stand in your shadow... the scorn? for talking about gun safety?
REALLY?
wow.

that statement alone is enough to make me pull out all the stops to do this talk. the fact that there is SCORN attached to something that is:
-legal
-advances safety
-is important enough to be listed in the constitution
THAT's a call to act if there ever was one.

This "excercize your rights" at all costs is just plain foolish. There is a time and a place to voice your rights and to me this is not the place to do it.

at all costs? really? the cost being discussed here is scorn. not jail. not a felony with loss of rights.

if we can't stand up to what people *think* and how they INAPPROPRIATELY act, we really don't have the starch to stand up at all.

the time and place to voice (and ACT on) your rights is when they are being squashed.

if we did that *every* time it happened, instead of waiting and permitting that to go on until an "appropriate" time, we wouldn't be where we are now. with our rights taken from us and having to fight to get them back.

if I folded in the face of people's wrong-headed negative opinions about what I do, I'd have had to shoot myself with long ago. because I'd have NO Life At All.

stand up. I'm asking you to stand up.
growing a spine can be painful, but I promise it's worth it.

megan

[mmartin]

The point here is, why put yourself on the radar screen? If the teacher does not want the OP to do the "gun" presantation then why fight it and become a focal point at the school? Sure, go ahead and say, "he has the right to do what he wants", and he certainly does have the right to fight for those rights but why not take the "high road" and do something else creative instead?

Excercise those rights elsewhere with selective voting and becoming active in the NRA and other PRO-2A areas, not in homeroom at school. It's wasted energy.

since when did doing something legal, moral, and ethical become the "low road"? since when is standing up for your rights NOT the "high road"?

through the looking glass... we are in the world of opposites.

we do not get our rights back or save what we have left by being invisible.

I understand your point, don't think I missunderstand. you personnally do not want the visibility and risk. but please, please, do not work to weaken those who have the desire to stand up. work to strengthen them, they stand up in your stead. they carry your rights forward with them as well as their own.

megan

[halifax]

The point here is, why put yourself on the radar screen? If the teacher does not want the OP to do the "gun" presantation then why fight it and become a focal point at the school? Sure, go ahead and say, "he has the right to do what he wants", and he certainly does have the right to fight for those rights but why not take the "high road" and do something else creative instead?

Excercise those rights elsewhere with selective voting and becoming active in the NRA and other PRO-2A areas, not in homeroom at school. It's wasted energy.

I was under the impression that it wasn't the subject matter but the gun itself.

[joepamjohn]

since when did doing something legal, moral, and ethical become the "low road"? since when is standing up for your rights NOT the "high road"?

through the looking glass... we are in the world of opposites.

we do not get our rights back or save what we have left by being invisible.

I understand your point, don't think I missunderstand. you personnally do not want the visibility and risk. but please, please, do not work to weaken those who have the desire to stand up. work to strengthen them, they stand up in your stead. they carry your rights forward with them as well as their own.

megan

Megan try as you may, you have totally missed my point(s). Many times trying to bring up an alternative way of looking at things in these forums is a futile effort. By now I should know better.

[mmartin]

Megan try as you may, you have totally missed my point(s). Many times trying to bring up an alternative way of looking at things in these forums is a futile effort. By now I should know better.

then please do clarify for me, I was trying to specifically address your points, so if I have missed the point, despite my best effort, help me out here.

let's try this again...

megan

[longarmshortlegs]

You of course are assuming that a campus cop actually knows how to properly demonstrate the gun himself. Don't be so sure that the cop has anymore experience in proper handling of a gun that anyone else in the class.

Well again, you are assuming something that I did not write. I said that the LEO will display the firearm while the OP discusses the topic. The LEO is merely the acceptable way to get a firearm into the classroom. The LEO is simply a display case.

and again, it is the OP's speech and demonstration. I wouldn't assume to have the LEO do everything while OP sits back and watches with the rest of the class. In any case I was not under the impression that the OP was asking everyone if it was a good idea or not.

[famas619]

I just droped the whole thing, im doing my speech on something else because im running out of time. I wasnt doing the safety speech to train the class on how to handle guns so they can do it on there own. It was just something i have expirience with so i would know what im talking about for the speech class.

[SanSacto]

I just droped the whole thing, im doing my speech on something else because im running out of time. I wasnt doing the safety speech to train the class on how to handle guns so they can do it on there own. It was just something i have expirience with so i would know what im talking about for the speech class.

I personally don't want my classmates to know I am a firearms guy. It is a need to know basis at school for me.

[joepamjohn]

I really have a dim view of how we (gunnies) are treated in many areas, but I stand in your shadow... the scorn? for talking about gun safety?
REALLY?
wow.

that statement alone is enough to make me pull out all the stops to do this talk. the fact that there is SCORN attached to something that is:
-legal
-advances safety
-is important enough to be listed in the constitution
THAT's a call to act if there ever was one.



at all costs? really? the cost being discussed here is scorn. not jail. not a felony with loss of rights.

if we can't stand up to what people *think* and how they INAPPROPRIATELY act, we really don't have the starch to stand up at all.

the time and place to voice (and ACT on) your rights is when they are being squashed.

if we did that *every* time it happened, instead of waiting and permitting that to go on until an "appropriate" time, we wouldn't be where we are now. with our rights taken from us and having to fight to get them back.

if I folded in the face of people's wrong-headed negative opinions about what I do, I'd have had to shoot myself with long ago. because I'd have NO Life At All.

Why is there a need to tell everyone your business?
growing a spine can be painful, but I promise it's worth it.



stand up. I'm asking you to stand up. megan

SIR YES SIR!!! Megan, you sound like George freakin Patton. But even he knew when and where to fight the battles.

Here's the deal....The instructor does not like that choice for his project. End of subject!

At some point you simply need to move on rather than try to push that idea or another gun related one where it is obviously not welcome. Right or wrong, legal, ethical, moral, or not, there is a time where you need to accept NO for an answer. This is the teachers class and that is that. We are not talking about being out in "the real world" where you have had a 2A right infringed upon (Like AB 962) and you need to take a stance. This is a speech class! I hate to break it to you but 2A rights are generally not won or lost in speech classes.

This is a class room on a school campus that is controlled and governed by the teachers rules. If the teacher wanted you to stop talking, I suppose you would stand up and voice your beliefs regarding 1A rights too? LOL, you are still missing it's the teachers class and you don't have a voice in the matter. If you want to make a stand, or as you have told me to "grow a spine", then you may end up with more than you bargained for since he still needs to go to the school after this project is completed.

Make some freakin Cookies or Cheeseburgers, get an A in the class, graduate from school, and so on, isn't that what's really important anyway? Well, apparently not with you. Fight the PRO-GUN / 2A battles where it counts, by voting for the right people and legislation, donating to and joining the NRA and other PRO 2A groups, etc.

[joepamjohn]

I just droped the whole thing, im doing my speech on something else because im running out of time. I wasnt doing the safety speech to train the class on how to handle guns so they can do it on there own. It was just something i have expirience with so i would know what im talking about for the speech class.

Smart man! Maybe when you get into a Poly Sci class you can discuss how you were "wronged by the man" (or woman) in this case, and then speak your mind about the never ending "silent" war that currently is being waged, that is over taking America's gun owners, stripping them of thier constitutional rights daily, all the way down to not letting you pick your subject in speech class.

Now that would be a worthwhile subject to pursue!