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Big thanks to anyone who can clear this up for me

[locosway]

To answer the title of the thread, "If it's in your hands". Possession is 9/10ths of the law. No paper, your possession, you own it.

Now, could someone claim you stole it from them? Sure, but they'd need paperwork showing they bought it.

If it's a new gun, then you registered it when you bought it more than likely. If you're somehow worried about needing to show proof just keep your receipt with you when traveling.

[hilnap]

To answer the title of the thread, "If it's in your hands". Possession is 9/10ths of the law. No paper, your possession, you own it.

Now, could someone claim you stole it from them? Sure, but they'd need paperwork showing they bought it.

If it's a new gun, then you registered it when you bought it more than likely. If you're somehow worried about needing to show proof just keep your receipt with you when traveling.

Yes, Thanks for teh two very informative posts ^^^ . Yeah I was just wondering. Im a younger guy. I could see an older policeman stopping me and asking if I had any firearms. I would not lie. Its just, is that the end of the story? Am I required to be carrying some sort of receipt or paperwork all the time when I transfer my weapon to the range? Or can he simply call the FFL? But what if the FFL no longer exists?


The 9/10ths of the law thing makes a lot of sense. But there is crime around my area and cops are dicks. I want to be as safe, and as within the law as possible. Thanks again for replies.

[hilnap]

Do you guys keep reciepts/DROS copies of all your weapons and file them? Just wondering if this is a good practice that I should start early .

[sorensen440]

same way you prove the shoes you are wearing belong to you

[locosway]

Ok, so you're young and you're new here. You need a good briefing!

*looks for Pullnshoot25*

Well, I'll give it to you.

If you're driving around with firearms and you're pulled over, do NOT tell the officer you have guns in the car. You have rights, most notably a 5th Amendment right which lets you shut the hell up and not get in trouble for being honest.

If an officer asks if you have any weapons you can either remain silent, or ask him if you're required to answer that (you aren't required). Then again, you could allow him to search your car, check your weapons, run your serial numbers, run your license, run your registration, and have you sitting on the curb for who knows how long.

Just make sure you're always legal. Keep the firearms in an approved transportation container (locked box, locked trunk, etc.). Keep the firearms unloaded. Most importantly, don't get pulled over!

[hilnap]

I see what you guys mean.. I cant imagine how akward and suspicious for a cop to pull over a young fellow and ask him if there are any guns in the car, only to hear a dead silence mixed with a long stare. ... I would never consent to a search, I would make that VERY clear. I would offer to let him inspect my shotgun in my trunk if he would like, but thats it.


Also, in CA, for shot guns, You dont need to have the gun in a a case at all or locked with one of those trigger locks, correct? But the ammunition HAS to be locked, is this correct? Or can I just carry my loose ammo and my unlocked shot gun in my trunk. I would assume that you dont even need to lock the ammo. Because you can buy ammo at the store and take it home in your car....

[hilnap]

You may be legal, BUT you will be treated like a criminal by most LE.

This is it. No matter which LEO looks at me, they always think I'm guilty of something I'll always stay legal tho, if they want to be dicks they can go ahead, I'll keep up with the law

[locosway]

Giving him consent to inspect your weapons (see, you've admitted to having weapons) allows him to search your entire car.

As long as the ammo is not in the magazine that's attached to the gun in a usable configuration it's not loaded. So you could have the shotgun laying in your trunk surrounded by shells, but so long as none of them roll into the magazine or into the chamber, it's unloaded.

I actually carry a gun most places I go in my car. I keep it locked, the magazines loaded, but not inserted into the gun. If I'm pulled over it's unlikely I'll be asked if there's weapons in the car (I did just put a NRA sticker on my car though), but if I am I'll ask if I'm required to answer that question. If he says yes I'll ask for the statute, if it gets bad I'll ask for the watch commander.

Either way, I'm not letting some LEO toss my car. I've had it happen WAY too much when I was younger and for no reason other than I was stupid enough to consent to searches.

[hilnap]

Giving him consent to inspect your weapons (see, you've admitted to having weapons) allows him to search your entire car.

As long as the ammo is not in the magazine that's attached to the gun in a usable configuration it's not loaded. So you could have the shotgun laying in your trunk surrounded by shells, but so long as none of them roll into the magazine or into the chamber, it's unloaded.

I actually carry a gun most places I go in my car. I keep it locked, the magazines loaded, but not inserted into the gun. If I'm pulled over it's unlikely I'll be asked if there's weapons in the car (I did just put a NRA sticker on my car though), but if I am I'll ask if I'm required to answer that question. If he says yes I'll ask for the statute, if it gets bad I'll ask for the watch commander.

Either way, I'm not letting some LEO toss my car. I've had it happen WAY too much when I was younger and for no reason other than I was stupid enough to consent to searches.

They always ask me the basic questions: "DO you have any drugs, firearms, grenade launchers, flamethrowers, or head hookers in teh car" ( VERY serious/normal face) . Its a trick to see if someone is trying to hide something. If i answer NO , i would be lying, and to my knowledge that is a crime.


You said giving him consent to search my firearm is consent to search the entire car? how is this so? The firearm is locked, in one compartment of the vehicle ( the trunk)... I would answer, I have my legally purchased shot gun safely locked in the trunk of my car. If you would like I can open my trunk and let you inspect it. Obviously if he started going through all my **** in my actual car ( seat area/etc..) I would tell him on the spot, OFFICER, i did NOT consent to a search. Only that you could inspect my FIREARM which you did.

[locosway]

Because...

"Do you have a firearm in the vehicle?"

"Yes sir, I do, and you can check it if you like"

"Ok, please exit the car and I'm going to place you in cuffs for my safety. I'm also going to place you in my car for my safety."

"Umm, ok, but you only need to check the firearm, and it's in the trunk"

"Sure thing, just come with me and I'll do the checking"

Went well, didn't it?

Oh crap, you forgot about that spare magazine that rolled under your seat. Now you're busted for concealing a firearm in your vehicle as the magazine is an integral part of the firearm.

[johnthomas]

You can always say, "Officer, I have nothing illegal in my vehicle".

[locosway]

You can always say, "Officer, I have nothing illegal in my vehicle".

Yes, this is the best line... It slipped my mind for some reason.

[hilnap]

Because...

"Do you have a firearm in the vehicle?"

"Yes sir, I do, and you can check it if you like"

"Ok, please exit the car and I'm going to place you in cuffs for my safety. I'm also going to place you in my car for my safety."

"Umm, ok, but you only need to check the firearm, and it's in the trunk"

"Sure thing, just come with me and I'll do the checking"

Went well, didn't it?

Oh crap, you forgot about that spare magazine that rolled under your seat. Now you're busted for concealing a firearm in your vehicle as the magazine is an integral part of the firearm.

LOl complete worst case...

You can always say, "Officer, I have nothing illegal in my vehicle".

This is a very good answer.