How to unload a pump/autoloading shotgun without pulling the trigger or chambering

[MaHoTex]

Holy Necro Post Batman.

[terdog]

Rekrab,

I was always under the impression that you should not keep a firearm loaded. Useing the 5 seconds that it takes to load a couple of shells into the mag is a safer tactic than keeping a gun loaded. And safety seems to be your point in the unloading procedure. But, that being said, your explanation did not address the saftey on and finger off the trigger.

It seems that you are suggesting that you can't count on those 2 safety features?

[Rekrab]

Rekrab,

I was always under the impression that you should not keep a firearm loaded. Useing the 5 seconds that it takes to load a couple of shells into the mag is a safer tactic than keeping a gun loaded. And safety seems to be your point in the unloading procedure. But, that being said, your explanation did not address the saftey on and finger off the trigger.

It seems that you are suggesting that you can't count on those 2 safety features?

It is possible for certain shotguns to slamfire and that was the point of this entire thread. A firearm, if kept unloaded, is a rather fancy paperweight. 5 seconds in a home invasion is a very, very long time(And I would challenge you to load more than 2 rounds in 5 seconds). Firearms, if intended for self defense, should be kept loaded and at the ready.

[Merc1138]

Rekrab,

I was always under the impression that you should not keep a firearm loaded. Useing the 5 seconds that it takes to load a couple of shells into the mag is a safer tactic than keeping a gun loaded. And safety seems to be your point in the unloading procedure. But, that being said, your explanation did not address the saftey on and finger off the trigger.

It seems that you are suggesting that you can't count on those 2 safety features?

What? Why would you keep a firearm that you intend to use for home defense unloaded? Now keeping a round chambered and using a safety(if available) or not keeping one chambered is a different topic. And I dunno about you, but if I wake up at night and feel the need to grab a shotgun, I'm not going to want to fumble around with a handful of shells in the dark.

An unloaded gun = crappy club/bat

[terdog]

Well guys, thanks for your responses.

intend to use for home defense

I never said that my shotgun was for HD. Quite frankly, I guess that I'm not paranoid enough - I don't worry about that, and that is on the bottom of the list of reasons why I own shotguns.

I have kids. And while I feel confident in my childrens firearms training, I put more priority on keeping them locked up (guns, not the kids) than prepareing for something that has an incredibly slim chance of ever happening (God willing).

As for a speck of dirt on the firing pin causeing a discharge, I keep my guns cleaner than that.

But, I want to thank all of you for the info. A cordial disourse is what the forums should be about.

[Merc1138]

Well guys, thanks for your responses.



I never said that my shotgun was for HD. Quite frankly, I guess that I'm not paranoid enough - I don't worry about that, and that is on the bottom of the list of reasons why I own shotguns.

I have kids. And while I feel confident in my childrens firearms training, I put more priority on keeping them locked up (guns, not the kids) than prepareing for something that has an incredibly slim chance of ever happening (God willing).

As for a speck of dirt on the firing pin causeing a discharge, I keep my guns cleaner than that.

But, I want to thank all of you for the info. A cordial disourse is what the forums should be about.

But here's the thing, you're assuming that there's nothing in the firing pin channel. Even if you're at the range, if there's a proper way to do something, why not do it properly? And unloading a shotgun using the shell stop is definitely quicker than cycling it repeatedly, and you end up with the shells in your hand instead of having to catch them as they get ejected.

[terdog]

Not quite. I clean my guns after every use.

using the shell stop is definitely quicker than cycling it repeatedly

Since I'm not in a hurry when useing my firearms, the quickest way is not important to me. In fact, I allways eject my shells into my hard case.

But, I guess that I shouldn't be unwilling to try something new.

[Merc1138]

Not quite. I clean my guns after every use.



Since I'm not in a hurry when useing my firearms, the quickest way is not important to me. In fact, I allways eject my shells into my hard case.

But, I guess that I shouldn't be unwilling to try something new.

You're also assuming that everything is being directed to you, it's not. Other users besides you read this thread and what you've been saying about "well I keep it clean"(because it's not like murphy's law never causes problems) or where you consider safely ejecting shells, how quickly you can do it, doesn't necessarily apply to everyone else.

[INJUNTOM]

Thanks for the tip

[terdog]

You're also assuming that everything is being directed to you, it's not.

No, I'm not assumeing anything. You have been quoteing me only, and seemingly replying to my questions. I have been replying to your points.

doesn't necessarily apply to everyone else.

Like you assumeing that this is all about HD?

What? Why would you keep a firearm that you intend to use for home defense unloaded?

It sure seemed like we were haveing a discussion.

[Merc1138]

No, I'm not assumeing anything. You have been quoteing me only, and seemingly replying to my questions. I have been replying to your points.



Like you assumeing that this is all about HD?



It sure seemed like we were haveing a discussion.

Wow, ego problem.

This thread is not about you, get over yourself. When you want every post to be about you, start your own thread.

I'm quoting you because there is a correct way of doing things. For anyone else that might be reading this thread looking for information, you're providing the wrong answers.

[terdog]

Man, your mind is out there.

you're providing the wrong answers.

Talk about an "ego", your answers are the only ones that are right?

Facts are not your strong point are they?

Stand up and get your bunched panties unwound there skip.

Go ahead and keep bumping your gums. Must be your time of the month. I have been nothing but respectful, and now you have to start getting ugly with a personel attack. I have better things to do than to argue with a fool.

[vince42]

Hey good tip....but calling unloading thru the chamber a dangerous practice? I have been using shotguns since the 70's and have never heard of a problem while unloading thru chamber. The first manual i ever looked at said to unload: finger off trigger, work action till clear. Are you worried about your semi-auto going full-auto?

Just my 2 cents but your safety is between your ears.....seems like some folks want the weapon to bear more of the safety burden than the operator.....And never, never, use your thumb to drop a hammer...(tongue in cheek).

..but still good tip for those who did not know. James

[Merc1138]

Man, your mind is out there.



Talk about an "ego", your answers are the only ones that are right?

Facts are not your strong point are they?

Stand up and get your bunched panties unwound there skip.

Go ahead and keep bumping your gums. Must be your time of the month. I have been nothing but respectful, and now you have to start getting ugly with a personel attack. I have better things to do than to argue with a fool.

You're claiming it was a personal attack, yet you're the one namecalling? And yes, telling people how to do something incorrectly when they may be doing it at home with their HD shotgun, and risking a slam fire is dumb. There is a right and wrong way to do it, and if your shotgun has a mechanism that allows you to do it without cycling the thing, then that's the way to do it.

[Kestryll]

Merc you DID address his post in the last four responses you made, I'd say that's pretty much a clear reason to think you are talking to him and addressing him with your comments.

Now both of you step away from the keyboard for a few minutes and BREATHE!