Has anyone done multiple ppts at different ffl's within a few days of each other?

[HKMadness]

Got a gun on ppt in Cerritos, looking to do another one in burbank in a few days. All good since neither is in LA city, unless something has changed about that recently.

Has anyone had issues doing this before?

[Tim padilla]

You can stack PPT’s ,new dealer purchases are 1in 30

[xblax619]

PPTs soon to be relegated to the same 1 in 30

can u pls provide a citation? it was my understanding that the new 1-in-30 law going into effect 1/1/24 would not include ppt’s.

[Quiet]

PPTs soon to be relegated to the same 1 in 30

can u pls provide a citation? it was my understanding that the new 1-in-30 law going into effect 1/1/24 would not include ppt?s.

Starting 01-01-2024...
The 1 in 30 day wait will apply to all firearms. [PC 27535(a)]
PPTs of firearms are exempt from this. [PC 27535(b)(8)]

Starting 01-01-2025...
Only PPTs that meet specific conditions will be exempt from the 1 in 30 day wait. [PC 27535(b)(8),(9)]

Therefore...

Through out next year, 2024, PPTs will still be exempt from the 1 in 30 day wait.

Starting 01-01-2025, it will no longer be CA legal for a non-exempt person to receive multiple firearms during a single transaction via PPT due to the 1 in 30 day period.



Penal Code 27535 Effective 01-01-2024
(a) A person shall not make an application to purchase more than one firearm within any 30-day period. This subdivision does not authorize a person to make an application to purchase a combination of firearms, completed frames or receivers, or firearm precursor parts within the same 30-day period.
(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any of the following:
(1) Any law enforcement agency.
(2) Any agency duly authorized to perform law enforcement duties.
(3) Any state or local correctional facility.
(4) Any private security company licensed to do business in California.
(5) Any person who is properly identified as a full-time paid peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, and who is authorized to, and does carry a firearm during the course and scope of employment as a peace officer.
(6) Any motion picture, television, or video production company or entertainment or theatrical company whose production by its nature involves the use of a firearm.
(7) Any person who may, pursuant to Article 2 (commencing with Section 27600), Article 3 (commencing with Section 27650), or Article 4 (commencing with Section 27700), claim an exemption from the waiting period set forth in Section 27540.
(8) Any transaction conducted through a licensed firearms dealer pursuant to Chapter 5 (commencing with Section 28050).
(9) Any person who is licensed as a collector pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, and has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the Department of Justice pursuant to Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) of Chapter 2.
(10) The exchange of a firearm where the dealer purchased that firearm from the person seeking the exchange within the 30-day period immediately preceding the date of exchange or replacement.
(11) The replacement of a firearm when the person's firearm was lost or stolen, and the person reported that firearm lost or stolen pursuant to Section 25250 prior to the completion of the application to purchase the replacement.
(12) The return of any firearm to its owner.
(13) A community college that is certified by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training to present the law enforcement academy basic course or other commission-certified law enforcement training.
(c) This section shall become operative on January 1, 2024.

Penal Code 27535 Effective 01-01-2025
(a) A person shall not make an application to purchase more than one firearm within any 30-day period. This subdivision does not authorize a person to make an application to purchase a combination of firearms, completed frames or receivers, or firearm precursor parts within the same 30-day period.
(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any of the following:
(1) Any law enforcement agency.
(2) Any agency duly authorized to perform law enforcement duties.
(3) Any state or local correctional facility.
(4) Any private security company licensed to do business in California.
(5) Any person who is properly identified as a full-time paid peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, and who is authorized to, and does carry a firearm during the course and scope of employment as a peace officer.
(6) Any motion picture, television, or video production company or entertainment or theatrical company whose production by its nature involves the use of a firearm.
(7) Any person who may, pursuant to Article 2 (commencing with Section 27600), Article 3 (commencing with Section 27650), or Article 4 (commencing with Section 27700), claim an exemption from the waiting period set forth in Section 27540.
(8) Any private party transaction where the seller is, at the time of the transaction, required under state law or by court order to relinquish all firearms.
(9) Any private party transaction where the seller is any of the following:
(A) The personal representative of a decedent's estate who is transferring the firearms to one or more heirs or beneficiaries of the decedent's estate pursuant to the decedent's will or the laws of intestate succession.
(B) The holder of the decedent's property who is transferring the firearms pursuant to Section 13101 of the Probate Code to the successor of the decedent, as defined in Section 13006 of the Probate Code, or to the surviving spouse of the decedent pursuant to Section 13500 of the Probate Code.
(C) The trustee of a trust who is transferring the firearms to one or more trust beneficiaries upon the death of a settlor of the trust.
(10) Any person who is licensed as a collector pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, and has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the Department of Justice pursuant to Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) of Chapter 2.
(11) The exchange of a firearm where the dealer purchased that firearm from the person seeking the exchange within the 30-day period immediately preceding the date of exchange or replacement.
(12) The replacement of a firearm if the person's firearm was lost or stolen, and the person reported that firearm lost or stolen pursuant to Section 25250 prior to the completion of the application to purchase the replacement.
(13) The return of any firearm to its owner.
(14) A community college that is certified by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training to present the law enforcement academy basic course or other commission-certified law enforcement training.
(c) This section shall become operative on January 1, 2025.

[lexo98]

I just made a purchase and picked up on day 10 and did a PPT that day. No issue

[Ihrinwe]

Done it multiple times, no issues.

[HKMadness]

Starting 01-01-2024...
The 1 in 30 day wait will apply to all firearms. [PC 27535(a)]
PPTs of firearms are exempt from this. [PC 27535(b)(8)]

Starting 01-01-2025...
Only PPTs that meet specific conditions will be exempt from the 1 in 30 day wait. [PC 27535(b)(8),(9)]

Therefore...

Through out next year, 2024, PPTs will still be exempt from the 1 in 30 day wait.

Starting 01-01-2025, it will no longer be CA legal for a non-exempt person to receive multiple firearms during a single transaction via PPT due to the 1 in 30 day period.



Penal Code 27535 Effective 01-01-2024
(a) A person shall not make an application to purchase more than one firearm within any 30-day period. This subdivision does not authorize a person to make an application to purchase a combination of firearms, completed frames or receivers, or firearm precursor parts within the same 30-day period.
(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any of the following:
(1) Any law enforcement agency.
(2) Any agency duly authorized to perform law enforcement duties.
(3) Any state or local correctional facility.
(4) Any private security company licensed to do business in California.
(5) Any person who is properly identified as a full-time paid peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, and who is authorized to, and does carry a firearm during the course and scope of employment as a peace officer.
(6) Any motion picture, television, or video production company or entertainment or theatrical company whose production by its nature involves the use of a firearm.
(7) Any person who may, pursuant to Article 2 (commencing with Section 27600), Article 3 (commencing with Section 27650), or Article 4 (commencing with Section 27700), claim an exemption from the waiting period set forth in Section 27540.
(8) Any transaction conducted through a licensed firearms dealer pursuant to Chapter 5 (commencing with Section 28050).
(9) Any person who is licensed as a collector pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, and has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the Department of Justice pursuant to Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) of Chapter 2.
(10) The exchange of a firearm where the dealer purchased that firearm from the person seeking the exchange within the 30-day period immediately preceding the date of exchange or replacement.
(11) The replacement of a firearm when the person's firearm was lost or stolen, and the person reported that firearm lost or stolen pursuant to Section 25250 prior to the completion of the application to purchase the replacement.
(12) The return of any firearm to its owner.
(13) A community college that is certified by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training to present the law enforcement academy basic course or other commission-certified law enforcement training.
(c) This section shall become operative on January 1, 2024.

Penal Code 27535 Effective 01-01-2025
(a) A person shall not make an application to purchase more than one firearm within any 30-day period. This subdivision does not authorize a person to make an application to purchase a combination of firearms, completed frames or receivers, or firearm precursor parts within the same 30-day period.
(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any of the following:
(1) Any law enforcement agency.
(2) Any agency duly authorized to perform law enforcement duties.
(3) Any state or local correctional facility.
(4) Any private security company licensed to do business in California.
(5) Any person who is properly identified as a full-time paid peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, and who is authorized to, and does carry a firearm during the course and scope of employment as a peace officer.
(6) Any motion picture, television, or video production company or entertainment or theatrical company whose production by its nature involves the use of a firearm.
(7) Any person who may, pursuant to Article 2 (commencing with Section 27600), Article 3 (commencing with Section 27650), or Article 4 (commencing with Section 27700), claim an exemption from the waiting period set forth in Section 27540.
(8) Any private party transaction where the seller is, at the time of the transaction, required under state law or by court order to relinquish all firearms.
(9) Any private party transaction where the seller is any of the following:
(A) The personal representative of a decedent's estate who is transferring the firearms to one or more heirs or beneficiaries of the decedent's estate pursuant to the decedent's will or the laws of intestate succession.
(B) The holder of the decedent's property who is transferring the firearms pursuant to Section 13101 of the Probate Code to the successor of the decedent, as defined in Section 13006 of the Probate Code, or to the surviving spouse of the decedent pursuant to Section 13500 of the Probate Code.
(C) The trustee of a trust who is transferring the firearms to one or more trust beneficiaries upon the death of a settlor of the trust.
(10) Any person who is licensed as a collector pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, and has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the Department of Justice pursuant to Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) of Chapter 2.
(11) The exchange of a firearm where the dealer purchased that firearm from the person seeking the exchange within the 30-day period immediately preceding the date of exchange or replacement.
(12) The replacement of a firearm if the person's firearm was lost or stolen, and the person reported that firearm lost or stolen pursuant to Section 25250 prior to the completion of the application to purchase the replacement.
(13) The return of any firearm to its owner.
(14) A community college that is certified by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training to present the law enforcement academy basic course or other commission-certified law enforcement training.
(c) This section shall become operative on January 1, 2025.

And just like that, ca continues to infringe on our 2A. I hate our communist / tyrant overlords.

[damngato]

Starting 01-01-2024...
The 1 in 30 day wait will apply to all firearms. [PC 27535(a)]
PPTs of firearms are exempt from this. [PC 27535(b)(8)]

Starting 01-01-2025...
Only PPTs that meet specific conditions will be exempt from the 1 in 30 day wait. [PC 27535(b)(8),(9)]

Therefore...

Through out next year, 2024, PPTs will still be exempt from the 1 in 30 day wait.

Starting 01-01-2025, it will no longer be CA legal for a non-exempt person to receive multiple firearms during a single transaction via PPT due to the 1 in 30 day period.



Penal Code 27535 Effective 01-01-2024
(a) A person shall not make an application to purchase more than one firearm within any 30-day period. This subdivision does not authorize a person to make an application to purchase a combination of firearms, completed frames or receivers, or firearm precursor parts within the same 30-day period.
(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any of the following:
(1) Any law enforcement agency.
(2) Any agency duly authorized to perform law enforcement duties.
(3) Any state or local correctional facility.
(4) Any private security company licensed to do business in California.
(5) Any person who is properly identified as a full-time paid peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, and who is authorized to, and does carry a firearm during the course and scope of employment as a peace officer.
(6) Any motion picture, television, or video production company or entertainment or theatrical company whose production by its nature involves the use of a firearm.
(7) Any person who may, pursuant to Article 2 (commencing with Section 27600), Article 3 (commencing with Section 27650), or Article 4 (commencing with Section 27700), claim an exemption from the waiting period set forth in Section 27540.
(8) Any transaction conducted through a licensed firearms dealer pursuant to Chapter 5 (commencing with Section 28050).
(9) Any person who is licensed as a collector pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, and has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the Department of Justice pursuant to Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) of Chapter 2.
(10) The exchange of a firearm where the dealer purchased that firearm from the person seeking the exchange within the 30-day period immediately preceding the date of exchange or replacement.
(11) The replacement of a firearm when the person's firearm was lost or stolen, and the person reported that firearm lost or stolen pursuant to Section 25250 prior to the completion of the application to purchase the replacement.
(12) The return of any firearm to its owner.
(13) A community college that is certified by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training to present the law enforcement academy basic course or other commission-certified law enforcement training.
(c) This section shall become operative on January 1, 2024.

Penal Code 27535 Effective 01-01-2025
(a) A person shall not make an application to purchase more than one firearm within any 30-day period. This subdivision does not authorize a person to make an application to purchase a combination of firearms, completed frames or receivers, or firearm precursor parts within the same 30-day period.
(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any of the following:
(1) Any law enforcement agency.
(2) Any agency duly authorized to perform law enforcement duties.
(3) Any state or local correctional facility.
(4) Any private security company licensed to do business in California.
(5) Any person who is properly identified as a full-time paid peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, and who is authorized to, and does carry a firearm during the course and scope of employment as a peace officer.
(6) Any motion picture, television, or video production company or entertainment or theatrical company whose production by its nature involves the use of a firearm.
(7) Any person who may, pursuant to Article 2 (commencing with Section 27600), Article 3 (commencing with Section 27650), or Article 4 (commencing with Section 27700), claim an exemption from the waiting period set forth in Section 27540.
(8) Any private party transaction where the seller is, at the time of the transaction, required under state law or by court order to relinquish all firearms.
(9) Any private party transaction where the seller is any of the following:
(A) The personal representative of a decedent's estate who is transferring the firearms to one or more heirs or beneficiaries of the decedent's estate pursuant to the decedent's will or the laws of intestate succession.
(B) The holder of the decedent's property who is transferring the firearms pursuant to Section 13101 of the Probate Code to the successor of the decedent, as defined in Section 13006 of the Probate Code, or to the surviving spouse of the decedent pursuant to Section 13500 of the Probate Code.
(C) The trustee of a trust who is transferring the firearms to one or more trust beneficiaries upon the death of a settlor of the trust.
(10) Any person who is licensed as a collector pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, and has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the Department of Justice pursuant to Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) of Chapter 2.
(11) The exchange of a firearm where the dealer purchased that firearm from the person seeking the exchange within the 30-day period immediately preceding the date of exchange or replacement.
(12) The replacement of a firearm if the person's firearm was lost or stolen, and the person reported that firearm lost or stolen pursuant to Section 25250 prior to the completion of the application to purchase the replacement.
(13) The return of any firearm to its owner.
(14) A community college that is certified by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training to present the law enforcement academy basic course or other commission-certified law enforcement training.
(c) This section shall become operative on January 1, 2025.

Would a FFL03/COE get around this as it currently does for the 1/30?

[joefrank64k]

Would a FFL03/COE get around this as it currently does for the 1/30?

Yes...see subsections (9) and (10) in the two referenced codes.

Even more reason for everyone to have an 03/COE if you're a gun enthusiast in CA, haha!!

[ar15barrels]

Thank you quiet! I guess I'm going to have to start buying as many guns as possible in the next 12 months

Or just get an 03/COE and make yourself exempt.

[morrcarr67]

Thank you quiet! I guess I'm going to have to start buying as many guns as possible in the next 12 months

Don't forget what else Quiet also posted:

(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any of the following:

(10) Any person who is licensed as a collector pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, and has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the Department of Justice pursuant to Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) of Chapter 2.

[Maulerrr]

Yeah, as recently as this past summer. All were handguns. I didn't run into any problems.

[ar15barrels]

In a perfect world yes I would just get the licenses and be done with it. But it's just a personal thing with me that I don't feel that I should have to apply for multiple licenses just to be able to buy two firearms in a month of private property from a private citizen. Just too much government overreach for me. But I greatly appreciate the suggestion

That's your prerogative of course.

I do it to save money.
I typically DROS 6 guns at once so I only have the one $40 DROS fee.
If I bought 6 guns on separate individual DROS with a $40 DROS fee each, I would be spending an extra $200 for the 6 pieces.
One transaction like that a year pays for 5 more years of my COE and 03FFL.

The 03FFL also gets you dealer price at Brownells and with a COE you can order ammo shipped directly to your home.

I suppose you are a sovereign citizen traveler and do not feel the need for a drivers license either right?