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  • RANGER295
    Administrator
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Sep 2006
    • 4002

    Interesting gun acquisition

    This probably falls under the cool story bro category. It was a toss-up whether I put this in OT, black powder, or general guns and it landed here. A
    On Veterans Day I took my kids to the open cockpit day at McClellan Air museum. On the way back driving down Watt avenue which of your familiar with the area is not exactly the best, I saw a vacant lot where someone had parked, set up some folding tables, and was having a junk sale. I noticed two rifles leaning against a table so I flipped around and decided to check it out. One was a pellet gun which I probably could have gotten for next to nothing but I didn't know what condition it was in and was not that interested in it. The other one, was a muzzleloader. It was an old reproduction probably from the '60s or '70s so nothing special and it had a bunch of surface rust on it though the wood was immaculate. I blew on the end of it and did not get any air through it. The guy at first was trying to tell me it was an antique and I straight up told him that it was a cheap reproduction. I asked him how much he wanted for it and he asked me what I was willing to pay for it. I told him I didn't really know, it was in rough shape and not what I was really looking for being a reproduction and I started to walk away. He asked how about 20 bucks so I said sure why not for that I can hang it on the wall.

    I brought it home and just got around to messing with it. I unscrewed the nipple and saw that there was some sort of powder in there. I took a wire and got some of the powder out. It looked kind of whitish but I thought maybe it was oxidized black powder that had been sitting in there for years. I put a lighter to it and it first started melting then burnt kind of like a sugar. Definitely not black powder.

    Then I dropped a ramrod down the barrel and discovered there was about 8 in of something in the barrel and it was soft. I took it outside, put an air nozzle to the nipple hole, and blew it out. It came out with a soft pop and a puff of dust. There was some kind of powder that was not much courser than a talcum powder and kind of a tannish brown color. Almost like a dingy brown sugar type color. On top of it there had been a wad of wax paper packed in the barrel to keep it in. I went back in the shop to get my phone to take a picture of it but the breeze dissipated it to the point where it really did not show up in the pictures.

    I have no idea what was in there but a friend of mine suggested it may have been heroin. It would not have surprised me because the guy was pretty sketchy looking. I would think he would not have knowingly sold me a rifle for 20 bucks with a barrel full of heroin but who knows where he got it. I would not know heroin or most other drugs if I saw them. I'm just saying what my friend said. Anyway, I got it cleaned up and put the first step of my super secret patina on it. For $20 it will be a nice shooter that I don't care if the kids drop or bang into something.. just thought I would share
    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
    ~Ben Franklin

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  • #2
    G-forceJunkie
    Calguns Addict
    • Jul 2010
    • 6358

    Could have been old cornmeal or oatmeal, it is used sometimes when shooting "blanks" Cool find

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    • #3
      Tarmy
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Feb 2016
      • 4136

      Welp, you asked for it.

      Cool starry bra.


      Soooo, is that a legal transfer? Don?t care, but I have seen old guns at various garage sales and would be reluctant to buy it iffin? the damn gubment found that to be illegal.
      Wilson Protector .45, Springer 9mm Loaded, Franchi Instinct SL .12ga. and some other cool stuff for the kiddos...

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      • #4
        RANGER295
        Administrator
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Sep 2006
        • 4002

        Originally posted by Tarmy
        Welp, you asked for it.

        Cool starry bra.


        Soooo, is that a legal transfer? Don?t care, but I have seen old guns at various garage sales and would be reluctant to buy it iffin? the damn gubment found that to be illegal.
        If it was not legal I would not have posted about it. Non cartridge black powder guns are still legal FTF in california. Up until 2014 or 2015, I cannot remember now but sometime around then C&R we're legal without going through an FFL but they closed that up. The guy commented that he had some 22s and a couple other things that were not out but I wasn't going to take a chance on that.
        "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
        ~Ben Franklin

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        • #5
          The Gleam
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Feb 2011
          • 12433

          Fun find - so the barrel/bore was good then?

          After you blew the $40,000 worth of Heroin out of it?

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          Originally posted by Librarian
          What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

          If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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          • #6
            BillSmith
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2017
            • 557

            Agree with assessment of OP's tale,
            Sometimes a gun is just a gun.

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            • #7
              Tarmy
              CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
              • Feb 2016
              • 4136

              Originally posted by RANGER295
              If it was not legal I would not have posted about it. Non cartridge black powder guns are still legal FTF in california. Up until 2014 or 2015, I cannot remember now but sometime around then C&R we're legal without going through an FFL but they closed that up. The guy commented that he had some 22s and a couple other things that were not out but I wasn't going to take a chance on that.
              I should have worded my question better, my apologies. Having read many posts of your?s I inherently knew you would never break any laws, and I also knew you would know what the rules are. You answered my actual question.

              I, again, apologize for a crap way of wording things.
              Wilson Protector .45, Springer 9mm Loaded, Franchi Instinct SL .12ga. and some other cool stuff for the kiddos...

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              • #8
                RANGER295
                Administrator
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Sep 2006
                • 4002

                So I poured some black powder down the barrel and packed a 4x4 patch down on top of it, put a cap on it, and asked my boys if they wanted to see it fire a blank. I decided to do the thing we used to do before reenactments to show the crowd how dangerous a blank could be so I filled an empty soda can with water and put it on a vise about 2 ft from one of the roll up doors in my shop. I didn't measure the powder and I guess I loaded it pretty hot because I actually had a recoil from a blank, it completely obliterated the can leaving about a 6-ft wet splatter on the shop door and it blew the t-shirt material patch through the aluminum roll up door which I was kind of pissed at myself for. It left roughly a quarter inch size hole but I was able to push it back down so it closed it up. My truck was about 2 ft on the other side of the door and it did not damage the tailgate. It was a good lesson for the boys though on how powerful even a blank can be.

                Originally posted by The Gleam
                Fun find - so the barrel/bore was good then?

                After you blew the $40,000 worth of Heroin out of it?

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                There was a surface rust on the bore. It was worse back towards the breach where whatever that crap was packed in there. Up towards the muzzle it was more surface rest and cleaned out decently. For what I paid for it and for what I'm going to be using it for I don't think it will make a difference.

                Originally posted by Tarmy
                I should have worded my question better, my apologies. Having read many posts of your?s I inherently knew you would never break any laws, and I also knew you would know what the rules are. You answered my actual question.

                I, again, apologize for a crap way of wording things.
                I did not take anything you said personally. It was a very reasonable question and not unreasonably worded. In this stupid state I am honestly surprised it is still legal.
                "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                ~Ben Franklin

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                • #9
                  Barang
                  CGN Contributor
                  • Aug 2013
                  • 12498

                  i didn't know that you're a gunrunner, drug dealer and operating illegal pyrotechnics. must contact bp for expansion of business.

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                  • #10
                    RANGER295
                    Administrator
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Sep 2006
                    • 4002

                    Originally posted by Barang
                    i didn't know that you're a gunrunner, drug dealer and operating illegal pyrotechnics. must contact bp for expansion of business.
                    LMFAO... As someone mentioned above, it could have been something completely innocent in that barrel but that said it was strange because there was no black powder behind it. In case it was some kind of drug, I am glad I got rid of it. I would hate to have been caught with that. No one ever would have bought my explanation. Believe it or not, I have only been high from an illegal drug (at least at the time) once and I guess you could call it a contact high. A honey oil lab exploded and caught a large grow operation on fire. All of the firefighters and deputies that responded to the fire got high that night. I will fully admit that there have been times in years past I have dabbled with illegal pyrotechnics but this was legal. I could shoot on my property if I felt it was safe. Even though it is legal, I don't feel I have a clear direction. I have thought about building a big firm to make it safe but I have a lot of other things that are higher priority. As far as expanding my operations with BP... His lair is a little too aged for my liking. Maybe I could help him diversify his harem with slightly less ripened inventory. My inventory could transfer to him after 45
                    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                    ~Ben Franklin

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                    • #11
                      Barang
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Aug 2013
                      • 12498

                      Originally posted by RANGER295
                      LMFAO... As someone mentioned above, it could have been something completely innocent in that barrel but that said it was strange because there was no black powder behind it. In case it was some kind of drug, I am glad I got rid of it. I would hate to have been caught with that. No one ever would have bought my explanation. Believe it or not, I have only been high from an illegal drug (at least at the time) once and I guess you could call it a contact high. A honey oil lab exploded and caught a large grow operation on fire. All of the firefighters and deputies that responded to the fire got high that night. I will fully admit that there have been times in years past I have dabbled with illegal pyrotechnics but this was legal. I could shoot on my property if I felt it was safe. Even though it is legal, I don't feel I have a clear direction. I have thought about building a big firm to make it safe but I have a lot of other things that are higher priority. As far as expanding my operations with BP... His lair is a little too aged for my liking. Maybe I could help him diversify his harem with slightly less ripened inventory. My inventory could transfer to him after 45
                      like you i don't know what illicit drug powder looks like so if you get pulled over while transporting those rifles home, then cops found out that the powder was cocaine. you'll probably win the oscar for explaining and denying you have no idea what it was and how it got it in there.

                      the reason why bp is a paramedic is because his stable are on their last leg and needed daily resuscitation. with your younger lineup, it will definitely revive bp's dying business and you might even take it over while retaining bp as your 24hr. emt.

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                      • #12
                        highpower
                        Calguns Addict
                        • May 2012
                        • 5303

                        That was a pretty good buy, the mysterious powder notwithstanding.

                        I have never been a black powder shooter due to the cleanup afterwards. But I have been giving some serious thought to shooting my 1795 Springfield replica.
                        MLC member.

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                        Dumocraps suck balls.

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                        • #13
                          BigPimping
                          CGN Contributor
                          • Feb 2010
                          • 21458

                          That is a really neat story. Maybe that rifle was part of a drug smuggling ring. Many times I wonder what kind of stories guns could tell if they could speak.
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                          • #14
                            Dr. Peter Venkman
                            Veteran Member
                            • Oct 2006
                            • 4899

                            This gives a new meaning to chasing the dragon.
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                            "America is not at war. The Marine Corps is at war; America is at the mall."
                            Originally posted by berto
                            You're right. There's no possible way that CGN members marching alongside the Pink Pistols in the SF Pride Parade can do anything to dispel the stereotype that gun owners are conservative bigots clinging to their guns and bibles. Not a single person in the crowd is rational or reachable because the parade's for gay folks and it's in SF.

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                            • #15
                              ojisan
                              Agent 86
                              CGN Contributor
                              • Apr 2008
                              • 11765

                              Pics of garage door hole, please.
                              LOL

                              Originally posted by Citadelgrad87
                              I don't really care, I just like to argue.

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