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  • mtsul
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2009
    • 2024

    Full auto

    i was wondering about full auto, and also the price. i know i cant have them in ca but other states can so how much are they? and also some sights have full auto that are like 15k 20k for 1 gun and they say they are transferable what does that mean? and are all full auto guns that much?

    Also what does it mean when they say this (registered sear in all three calibers) I know the sear is what makes it full auto


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    THT
    Calguns Addict
    • Mar 2009
    • 5140

    FA starts around $5K but the nicer FA stuff starts around $10K.

    To be transferable, the machine gun must have been registered prior to the 86 ban.

    A registered sear can be dropped into any host which makes it more versatile than a registered receiver. HK trigger packs are particularly neat since you can take it out of a an MP5 and drop it into a G3 and other models.
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    • #3
      mtsul
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2009
      • 2024

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      • #4
        audihenry
        Veteran Member
        • Feb 2008
        • 2909

        So one could legally make an MP5 into full auto in a legal state with the stamp?

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        • #5
          xm177
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2008
          • 906

          Originally posted by audihenry
          So one could legally make an MP5 into full auto in a legal state with the stamp?
          If you bought a registered transferable sear/trigger pack conversion set on a Form 4, then yes. Most full auto MP5's in civilian hands are HK94 conversions. A registered sear/trigger pack is akin to a RDIAS for an AR15.
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          The Model 610 was classified as the XM177[3] but adopted by the Air Force as the GAU-5/A Submachine Gun (GAU = Gun, Aircraft, Unit.) The Army purchased 2,815 Model 609 CAR-15 Commandos on June 28, 1966, which were officially designated Submachine Gun, 5.56 mm, XM177E1. - Wikipedia

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          • #6
            ke6guj
            Moderator
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Nov 2003
            • 23725

            Well, an HK MP5 is already full-auto, so there's nothing to make full auto. But, if you were in a free state and had the $10+k, you could submit a Form 4 and once approved, you could legally own it.

            Now, if you wanted to take an HK94 and turn it into an MP5, you would need to purchase a registered sear and go through the same process with the Form 4. The sear is the machinegun and is also $10k+.

            An SP89 could be used to duplicate an MP5K.
            Jack



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            No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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            • #7
              Pavel
              Member
              • Aug 2009
              • 110

              Basically,

              1. Transferable MG including registered MG's-recievers, auto-sears, lightning links, etc all must be pre 1986 and registered as transferable to civilians. These will range from 3k for a mac 10/11 and up. M16 about 14-20k for authentic colt.

              2. Pre-may dealer samples. These are about half the price of the civilian transferables, eligible for 07sot ffl dealers to purchase and keep, even if they leave the business. Not civvy transferable

              3. Post-may samples. 07sot ffl or LE agency only, require demo letter from PD. Must be sold or turned in if dealer leaves business. These are sometimes cheaper than used semi-auto versions. Example- Colt M16- $650

              Best places for full auto full auto rental fun are going to Reno for nor-cal people, I know of one spot but can't remember the name. For you So-cal guys, take a trip to Phoenix -Scottsdale gun club. Was just there last month visiting my buddy, got to shoot a 1928 Thompson and a G36c among others.

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              • #8
                B Strong
                CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                CGN Contributor
                • Feb 2009
                • 6367

                Originally posted by audihenry
                So one could legally make an MP5 into full auto in a legal state with the stamp?
                No, but if you purchased a registered sear or trigger housing, you could install it into an HK 9 series weapon, which would serve as the "host" for the registered part or combination of parts.

                If somebody wanted to get into MG's the MAC series is still somewhat affordable - 3Kish w/o a suppressor.
                The way some gunshop clerks spout off, you'd think that they invented gunpowder and the repeating rifle, and sat on the Supreme Court as well.
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                • #9
                  audihenry
                  Veteran Member
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 2909

                  Originally posted by B Strong
                  No, but if you purchased a registered sear or trigger housing, you could install it into an HK 9 series weapon, which would serve as the "host" for the registered part or combination of parts.

                  If somebody wanted to get into MG's the MAC series is still somewhat affordable - 3Kish w/o a suppressor.
                  Do they have an auto sear thing for the AK? Curious how much those run for.

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                  • #10
                    ke6guj
                    Moderator
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Nov 2003
                    • 23725

                    Originally posted by audihenry
                    Do they have an auto sear thing for the AK? Curious how much those run for.
                    nope, there are no transferable drop-in AK sears. There were some AK-sears that were registered and sold before the 86 ban, but they required the receiver be modifed to use it, so ATF says that the sear had to be "married" to the receiver.

                    Tromix did recently design a Drop-in AK auto sear that does not require any receiver mods, but they are post-samples, not able to be possessed by the public.
                    Jack



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                    • #11
                      Plisk
                      Veteran Member
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 3007

                      How much do pre-86 AKs usually go for?
                      "If it wears out, replace it. If it breaks, upgrade." -Cranky Air Force Vet.

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                      • #12
                        Shane916
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Feb 2006
                        • 5004

                        Originally posted by audihenry
                        Do they have an auto sear thing for the AK? Curious how much those run for.
                        $5-$20 on GunBroker

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                        • #13
                          ke6guj
                          Moderator
                          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                          • Nov 2003
                          • 23725

                          Originally posted by Plisk
                          How much do pre-86 AKs usually go for?
                          I see a couple on subguns, 11-15k for transferable AKs.

                          A nice bargain is a full-auto FNC, host guns can be pickedup for less than 3k, and sears are $3500.
                          Jack



                          Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA?

                          No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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                          • #14
                            sierrawoodsman
                            Member
                            • Oct 2008
                            • 126

                            The best deal in F.A. is the ruger AC556, Uzis are still a good choice. They cost about a third as much as an MP5 and will serve you just as well
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                            • #15
                              audihenry
                              Veteran Member
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 2909

                              Originally posted by Shane916
                              $5-$20 on GunBroker
                              Oh that's evil!

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