CA laws on rimfire vs centerfire

[mrahkus]

What are CA limits on purchase frequency, cool down period, etc. of firearms which are _NOT_ applicable to rimfire while been applicable to centerfire? I know rimfire handguns are on the roster and 10 rounds mag limit. Those are similarities. What are the differences, if any?


My location: San Francisco Bay Area

[bohoki]

i thought it was just "pistols" (centerfire and rimfire) one every 30 days they also added self loading rifles to that as well but

is there a self loading shotgun in there as well? i am not a lawyer or a doctor

[mrahkus]

What are CA limits on purchase frequency, cool down period, etc. of firearms which are _NOT_ applicable to rimfire while been applicable to centerfire? I know rimfire handguns are on the roster and 10 rounds mag limit. Those are similarities. What are the differences, if any?


My location: San Francisco Bay Area

For example: Seems like assault rifle definition/limitation is not applicable to rimfire.


My location: San Francisco Bay Area

[nedro]

I thought this was already hashed out.
There is no mention of centerfire ammo in the assault weapon ban.
If there is, I want a .22 AR.

[Mayor McRifle]

For example: Seems like assault rifle definition/limitation is not applicable to rimfire.

Be careful with the term “assault rifle,” unless you’re talking about fully-automatic military weapons. California’s unconstitutional ban on semiautomatic sporting rifles refers to them as “assault weapons,” because they know they’re not actually military “assault rifles,” but they want to mislead the public anyway.

There is no mention of centerfire ammo in the assault weapon ban.

Read the third word in each of the first three subsections (pertaining to rifles):

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/genchar2

If there is, I want a .22 AR.

Here you go: https://wbtguns.com/categories/Calif...lr.html?page=1

[nedro]

Damn Mayor, You just cost me a few hundred!
Thank you.

[ronrichards64]

I bought the Nordic Components complete 22 LR AR -15 upper from Midway . It is just plain fun . Just mount it on a AR lower.

[Mayor McRifle]

Damn Mayor, You just cost me a few hundred!
Thank you.

You could always just start with an M&P 15-22 if you don’t want to get too fancy: https://www.smith-wesson.com/products/mp-15-22

[mrahkus]

Be careful with the term ?assault rifle,? unless you?re talking about fully-automatic military weapons. California?s unconstitutional ban on semiautomatic sporting rifles refers to them as ?assault weapons,? because they know they?re not actually military ?assault rifles,? but they want to mislead the public anyway.



Read the third word in each of the first three subsections (pertaining to rifles):

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/genchar2

Here you go: https://wbtguns.com/categories/Calif...lr.html?page=1

Ok, please read "assault rifle" above as "assault rifle per California legal definition".


My location: San Francisco Bay Area

[Mayor McRifle]

Ok, please read ?assault rifle? above as ?assault rifle per California legal definition?.

California doesn’t call them “assault rifles,” because they’re not “assault rifles.” California calls them “assault weapons,” which is a term they made up to make sporting rifles sound scary and to mislead the public into thinking that AR-15s are military grade weapons.

Read this from the California DOJ: https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/genchar2
Note that they do not use the term “assault rifle” in their legal definition.

[mrahkus]

For example: Seems like assault rifle definition/limitation is not applicable to rimfire.

OK, this is confirmed. Any other differences between rimfire vs centerfire, according to California law?

[mrahkus]

California doesn?t call them ?assault rifles,? because they?re not ?assault rifles.? California calls them ?assault weapons,? which is a term they made up to make sporting rifles sound scary and to mislead the public into thinking that AR-15s are military grade weapons.

Read this from the California DOJ: https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/genchar2
Note that they do not use the term ?assault rifle? in their legal definition.

Ha, indeed. I didn't know that. The proper handle would be "California banned rifles", but "assault rifles" certainly sounds scarier for propaganda purposes. And yes, of course, they are not assault rifles per the original definition 'cause they are not select fire.

[The Hamsterball]

*EDITED FOR CORRECTION*

So basically between centerfire/rimfire CA laws on purchases/waiting periods.

Rimfire Pistols, you must wait 30 days between the start of DROS for each rimfire pistol. Usually it's best to give it an extra day, so wait 31 days for the next rimfire pistol.

Centerfire pistols are the same law for cooldown. Both also require 10-day (10 24 hour day period) before you can finish DROS and take outside of FFL store/shop. But still you have to wait 30/31 days between each purchase (whether rimfire or centerfire pistol).

If you purchase a rimfire/centerfire pistol, you may purchase a shotgun at the same time, and put both on 10-day cooldown. If I'm correct, there is still a 30-day wait period for both if you pair the two guns in a DROS pickup after 10-days. There is also some law for bolt-action rifles, but I'm not 100% sure of it. Please someone fill in about bolt-action.

If you buy a centerfire rifle, you must wait 10 days before DROS is clear and you can pick it up. If it is a complete rifle, you must wait 30/31 days between each centerfire rifle and pistol purchase if you are planning on buying a pistol and centerfire rifle (with 30/31 days between each). You may purchase a shotgun at the same time with the centerfire rifle.

If you buy a complete rimfire rifle you must wait 10 days before DROS is clear and you pick it up. If it is a complete rifle, you MAY buy in between a pistol purchase or centerfire rifle purchase, if you are planning on buying a pistol and rimfire rifle (with 30/31 days between each). You may purchase a shotgun at the same time with the rimfire rifle.

If you are planning on buying a centerfire rifle and centerfire pistol, or rimfire pistol, or centerfire rifle with rimfire pistol and vice versa, you must spread 30/31 days between the start of each gun's DROS beginning date.

If you are buying a serialized lower receiver only (centerfire, let's say, for an AR-15), you may buy as many of those as you want. They do not affect full/complete rifle or full/complete pistol purchases. But there must be a 10-day cooldown period before each serialized AR-15 lower receiver.
Also, AR-15 serialized lowers do not affect cooldown on any complete pistol or complete rifle purchase.
You may buy a serialized AR-15 lower in between or in the middle of a cooldown on any complete rifle or complete pistol purchase.
Fellow members, please correct me if I'm incorrect. I don't think it's allowed to buy like 5 lower receivers all at once.

If you are buying a complete/fully assembled upper receiver (centerfire, let's say, for an AR-15), you do not have to buy those in person in california or have them shipped to an FFL (Dealer). There is no serial number on those parts, as the actual "gun" is considered the lower receiver, which has a serial number and requires a 10-day cooldown. You may buy as many uppers as you want, and they don't have to be registered, and you can buy them online if you want and have them shipped to your home.

Other parts, let's say for AR-15's, like stocks, trigger kits, pistol grips/featureless grips, lower parts hardware, may be purchased the same way without registration through an FFL. You may buy them online and have them shipped to your home as much as you want.
(HOWEVER, you may not install a full-auto trigger on any rifle in California and I think any other state. You may not install a full-auto trigger on any pistol either).

Fully automatic weapons are not allowed in California, and I think they are also banned in all states.

If you have a rimfire rifle, it may have a pistol grip and adjustable stock, as long as it has a barrel length of 16'' or more.
That means for rimfire rifles (semi-automatic), you do not have to have a fixed magazine, or upper release kit, or permanent fixed magazine that has to be loaded individually with rounds as long as it is a barrel length of 16'' or longer.

If you have a centerfire rifle, it may have a pistol grip and adjustable stock, as long as it has a barrel length of 16'' or more, with the requirement that the magazine is fixed.
You may have a quick release kit to break open the upper from the lower in order to reload a magazine (maximum 10+1 rounds).
If the magazine is free to remove from the rifle with a pistol grip and adjustable stock, CA considers that an "assault weapon", which is not allowed anymore.
If the barrel length is less than 16'', you may not have an adjustable stock.
If the barrel length is less than 16'', the only way you may have a pistol grip is if the magazine is permanently fixed, meaning you cannot remove the magazine. Therefore it would be an individually loaded (1 round at a time) rifle with a permanent magazine.
Also, for barrels on centerfire rifles less than 16'', you have to have a fixed stock as well as a permanently fixed magazine.
The stock cannot be telescopic, and must be the same length at all times of operation of the rifle.

If you would like a removable magazine on a centerfire rifle that does not require separating the upper from the lower, or loading rounds individually, it would have to be a featureless rifle.
In that situation, it must have a barrel length of 16'' or more, and the grip cannot be a pistol grip. Also the stock must be fixed as well, and not collapsible or telescopic.

If you have a rifle without any of these conditions met as a whole as specified above, it must have been purchased before a certain date (I think 2017/2018), and also registered ahead of time before the law change in California. It should have been registered with the State Bureau of Firearms before the registration period has closed.
If it was registered both federally and also with the state bureau of firearms before the closing/end date of the law change, you may keep it.

I don't know much about shotgun laws. I don't own any.
Also I don't know much about pistol modification laws.
I think changing the sights, and grips are allowed. But I am not sure on the legality of other things, such as springs or other parts.

Hope this helps.
Calgunners, if anybody finds anything wrong, please correct me and I will update the post.
Also these laws are in effect as of 07/15/2023 (date this was UDPATED).

[mrahkus]

So basically between centerfire/rimfire CA laws on purchases/waiting periods.

Rimfire Pistols, you must wait 30 days between the start of DROS for each rimfire pistol. Usually it's best to give it an extra day, so wait 31 days for the next rimfire pistol.

Centerfire pistols are the same law for cooldown. Both also require 10-day (10 24 hour day period) before you can finish DROS and take outside of FFL store/shop. But still you have to wait 30/31 days between each purchase (whether rimfire or centerfire pistol).

Now we are talking! No need for cooldown period for rimfire?! Makes little sense, but OK, we are in California and the weather is good here!

[mrahkus]

Now we are talking! No need for cooldown period for rimfire?! Makes little sense, but OK, we are in California and the weather is good here!

Nope. I misread it. No difference. I have asked only for differences