Does the "For Sale Section" need a separate sub-forum to list dead-beat buyers?

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

It seems to me that given the influx of many new Calgunners that there is a pandemic of people posting "I'll take it", only to withdraw their contractually binding bid. I don't feel that iTrader is "public" enough and there really is no way to add feedback in a manner that we know is actually conclusive to what the person has done in the past. I say this because sellers might have been burned by a potential buyer, but did not add an iTrader rating or "just leave a neutral" depending on the circumstances via current rules. Gunboards does the rating system entirely different. They have two separate forum sections for "positive" and "negative" listings. I however feel that it is inefficient, but it does allow for some more background over what problems someone might have had with a particular member.

In this thread Gunaria brings up a very good point:

Should we start a poll?

Who has more flakes Craigslist or CG?

Do enough dealing here or there you are bound to run into a flake or two. What really sucks is waiting around all day or most of a day for that buyer who said I'll take it in the thread and over the phone to at least give you the common courtesy of a phone call to say, "Hey I'm sorry, I can't get that from you right." Plus the mods saying that the above action does not warrant a neg. feedback. "Oh just leave a neutral."

I think it is time to let the old Soviet style of moderation on the feedback system go. Meaning if a flake burns you for your time, you leave them a NEGATIVE. If a flake burns you for money, you leave them a NEGATIVE. If a product you buy is not as described, you leave them a NEGATIVE.

Also to the mods & Kes, I think it is time to take another look at this issue. Since a big part of CG's is about buying, selling & trading firearms & firearm accessories (yes that is a little of Hank Hill speaking)

Maybe there needs to be an addendum to the forum rules and something to the effect of "backing out of a deal" will result in a negative rating? The seller and buyer working out something do to hardship would not be a part of this obviously. I however do not feel that the current setup is satisfactory.

[hawk1]

No, thats what the iTrader feedback is for.
Public enough? All you have to do is click on it. A separate section would need to be clicked on as well, but you think that is more public?

[rkt88edmo]

I don't feel that iTrader is "public" enough and there really is no way to add feedback in a manner that we know is actually conclusive to what the person has done in the past.

Huh? you don't think leaving a comment like "said I'll take it and backed out" with a neutral rating can conclusively record the interaction?

[Greg-Dawg]

Add another poll button:

Report to the MODS to delete member...so no more evil will dwell in calguns.net.

[forgiven]

Probably so. Everyone's time is pretty valuable, especially these days.

[1911su16b870]

The iTrader feedback serves that function. If you have an email and pm that says , and they flake w/o a valid reason (death, taxes, etc.)...leave a negative in their iTrader.

[b.faust]

Personally, I'd like to see it broke down in subsections similar to the other forum subs.

i.e. "Handguns" "Centerfire" "Rimfire" etc

Either that or a better search function here on calguns.

B.

[Cjones38]

Ridiculous! It's strange, but I know how much money is in my bank account on a regular basis. I think if I said "I'll take it" it's because I have the money and want to buy the item, not because I want to use the smilie.

Hey, I got to use the smilie without buying something!!!!! Woohoo!!!

[Black Majik]

Honestly, I think it can be a good idea. Most forums have it and has worked pretty well, kind of a feedback forum in conjunction with our iTrader.

I'm pretty sure I know who Gunaria is referring to, the deadbeat buyer also made a friend of mine wait 1.5 hrs at a shop with a no-show.

That guy should really lose his privileges in the marketplace, and all of his posts were in the classifieds looking for a Glock.

[BlackDrop50]

Personally, I'd like to see it broke down in subsections similar to the other forum subs.

i.e. "Handguns" "Centerfire" "Rimfire" etc

Either that or a better search function here on calguns.

B.

I think this is a good idea

[rkt88edmo]

If I know I will have trouble meeting up with the buyer (and I often do because of my schedule) I always let them know and give them the option to sell to someone else if they'd like. I also usually offer to pay upfront sight unseen, some take me up on it and some just wait to deal F2F. When an item I really want pops up at the right price I do everything I can to ensure that it ends up in my hands.

The iTrader feedback serves that function. If you have an email and pm that says , and they flake w/o a valid reason (death, taxes, etc.)...leave a negative in their iTrader.

Not negative, neutral:

If someone backs out of the deal, yanks your chain, stands you up, sells to a higher offer - those are all cases where neutral feedback is appropriate.

if you aren't out actual $$ or received an item that isn't quite as described but still acceptable then neutral feedback is the way to go. People can be banned from the FS or CGN for repeating such actions.

If you are actually out money or the transaction has taken place and is unsatisfactory due to some misrepresentation or other problem and you are actually out an item or cash then neg away.

If you aren't happy with the feedback you have received feel free to bring it up with the moderators.

[dirtyJ]

If I said I'd buy something, and set everything up, then made the guy/girl wait several hours without showing up, with no call or any kind of communication, I'd fully expect a negative feedback. You're doing the other person a disservice by essentially committing to buy something, then flaking off. How are you to know if they took off work for those hours, or if they had to hire a baby sitter or something. The person flaking never knows how much trouble they cause the person waiting for them, and as a result, I feel negative feedback is fully warranted. Thankfully, I don't think I'll ever encounter that situation, as I've got a pretty good feel for people, even over the intertubz, and I never not show up without at least a call first.

[Khram]

Gunboards has a neg and a pos forum for sellers and buyers. Neutral feedback seems mild when a potential buyer or seller makes you wait in a gunshop for an hour or fight traffic just to have him be a no show w/o making at least a phone call.

I had a friend have to make a 1-2 hour trip and waste most of a day waiting by the phone for a buyer that backed out and wasn't even man enough to make a phone call stating so. It's a long story.

[kalguns]

I think we should do a number 6 to all that make an apointment and then flake

[aplinker]

Out of curiosity, what exactly do you think it will accomplish?

I can't imagine it preventing situations, since 95% of the time it's a new calgunner, they have no feedback, etc.

I won't remember anyone's name just because someone posted about it.

It will simply become a forum for people to gripe/*****/vent.

Feedback is far more useful. Leave neutrals.