Military and Off-Roster

[Pwrsteve]

I can confirm that my friend who is an active reservist (non LE) was able to purchase off-roster from an FFL in CA.

Is that something new?

[9Cal_OC]

No.

It’s been discussed quite a bit. In short, probably the FFL messed up

[CGZ]

Active duty and reservists are not exempt from the roster (and other CA laws pertaining to the sale of firearms)

For example, there are base exchanges in CA that sell firearms. They still have to follow CA law though. 10 day wait, DROS background check fee, 10 round mags, etc. Only benefit is no sales tax and some models get the Mil/LE price. (IE the M9 Beretta)

[mossy]

the FFL made a mistake.

[Thrashard340]

Was it a PPT? Did your friend buy used from another party?

[igs]

I can confirm that my friend who is an active reservist (non LE) was able to purchase off-roster from an FFL in CA.

Is that something new?

or the military or naval forces of this state or of the United States for use in the discharge of their official duties. This section does not prohibit the sale to, or purchase by, sworn members of these agencies of a handgun.

[rero360]

As a NG soldier I was able to purchase an off roster handgun just a few weeks before I retired. Got blue label pricing as well.

[Che762x39]

As a NG soldier I was able to purchase an off roster handgun just a few weeks before I retired. Got blue label pricing as well.

That FFL made a mistake too.

[Pwrsteve]

I guess it's up to the FFL to determine that and how they are interpreting the written law.

[Hairball]

The only way an active duty military member is eligible to purchase an off-roster firearm (new from an FFL) is if that member needs that specific firearm in the discharge of their official duties. In other words, they need it to perform their job and this type of purchase is also supported by a letter, on command letterhead, stating the reason of why this is required and authorization to do so. Just like LE can waive the 10day wait if they get a letter from their supervisor justifying the need. If some active duty member bought one without fulfilling these requirements, the FFL screwed up and will have some explaining to do if they get checked.

[rero360]

The only way an active duty military member is eligible to purchase an off-roster firearm (new from an FFL) is if that member needs that specific firearm in the discharge of their official duties. In other words, they need it to perform their job and this type of purchase is also supported by a letter, on command letterhead, stating the reason of why this is required and authorization to do so. Just like LE can waive the 10day wait if they get a letter from their supervisor justifying the need. If some active duty member bought one without fulfilling these requirements, the FFL screwed up and will have some explaining to do if they get checked.

But that makes no sense, the military provides everything to the service member, If its not issued to you, you can not use it in the performance of your duties. That is the by the book, regulation answer, in practice, service members use personal gear all the time, up to and including plate carriers and the like, but there are certain things that are always forbidden, personally owned firearms, body armor, and ammunition.

The only people I could possibly see going out on the civilian market and buying any of those items for official use would be SOF or CID, but then they would be using unit funds, and the items purchased would go onto the unit's property books and are not personally owned.

Point is, if you are an MP or what not and need a pistol for your job, the unit has a pistol for you, and that pistol is the only one you can use. Doesn't matter if you're a private or a full bird, you get caught carrying a personally owned firearm in the performance of your official duties (not counting those legally allowed to CC) you are going to be in a world of hurt.

This isn't WW1 where Soldiers are shipping out with their pappy's revolver to supplement their rifle.

[morrcarr67]

The only way an active duty military member is eligible to purchase an off-roster firearm (new from an FFL) is if that member needs that specific firearm in the discharge of their official duties. In other words, they need it to perform their job and this type of purchase is also supported by a letter, on command letterhead, stating the reason of why this is required and authorization to do so. Just like LE can waive the 10day wait if they get a letter from their supervisor justifying the need. If some active duty member bought one without fulfilling these requirements, the FFL screwed up and will have some explaining to do if they get checked.

But that makes no sense, the military provides everything to the service member, If its not issued to you, you can not use it in the performance of your duties. That is the by the book, regulation answer, in practice, service members use personal gear all the time, up to and including plate carriers and the like, but there are certain things that are always forbidden, personally owned firearms, body armor, and ammunition.

The only people I could possibly see going out on the civilian market and buying any of those items for official use would be SOF or CID, but then they would be using unit funds, and the items purchased would go onto the unit's property books and are not personally owned.

Point is, if you are an MP or what not and need a pistol for your job, the unit has a pistol for you, and that pistol is the only one you can use. Doesn't matter if you're a private or a full bird, you get caught carrying a personally owned firearm in the performance of your official duties (not counting those legally allowed to CC) you are going to be in a world of hurt.

This isn't WW1 where Soldiers are shipping out with their pappy's revolver to supplement their rifle.

Welcome to CA gun laws. It sounds unbelievable, but that is how CA law is written.