Ammo Purchase?

[Quiet]

Interesting. That says COE doesn't do anything for ammo purchase. Still have to do a background check. But it's $1. Is it instant? Or do I still have to wait up to two weeks?

What about 03FFL?

I know FFL/COE means I can buy ammo online. But what about in person at a local shop? Man this crap is nuts.

Under CA laws...

A person with a valid C&R 03-FFL and valid COE is exempt from needing to utilize a CA DOJ licensed ammunition vendor or CA FFL dealer when acquiring ammunition online. [PC 30312(c)(6)]
^This allows the exempt person to legally order ammo from a non-CA ammunition vendor and have the ammo shipped directly to their address.

A person with a valid C&R 03-FFL and valid COE is exempt from needing to utilize a CA DOJ licensed ammunition vendor or CA FFL dealer when acquiring ammunition out of state and bringing it back to CA. [PC 30314(b)(5)]
^This allows the exempt person to go outside of CA, acquire ammo, and legally bring it back to CA.

A person with a valid C&R 03-FFL and valid COE is not exempt from needing to undergo an ammunition DROS when acquiring ammunition from a CA DOJ licensed ammunition vendor or CA FFL dealer. [PC 30370(a)(2) and 11 CCR 4285]
^This person must undergo a $1 COE verification check when acquiring ammo from a CA DOJ licensed ammunition vendor or CA FFL dealer.



Penal Code 30312
(b) Commencing January 1, 2018, the sale, delivery, or transfer of ownership of ammunition by any party may only occur in a face-to-face transaction with the seller, deliverer, or transferor, provided, however, that ammunition may be purchased or acquired over the Internet or through other means of remote ordering if a licensed ammunition vendor initially receives the ammunition and processes the transaction in compliance with this section and Article 3 (commencing with Section 30342) of Chapter 1 of Division 10 of Title 4 of this part.
(c) Subdivisions (a) and (b) shall not apply to the sale, delivery, or transfer of ammunition to any of the following:
(6) A person who is licensed as a collector of firearms pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, whose licensed premises are within this state, and who has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 26710.

Penal Code 30314
(a) Commencing January 1, 2018, a resident of this state shall not bring or transport into this state any ammunition that he or she purchased or otherwise obtained from outside of this state unless he or she first has that ammunition delivered to a licensed ammunition vendor for delivery to that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in Section 30312.
(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any of the following:
(5) A person who is licensed as a collector of firearms pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, whose licensed premises are within this state, and who has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 26710.

Penal Code 30370
(a) Commencing July 1, 2019, the department shall electronically approve the purchase or transfer of ammunition through a vendor, as defined in Section 16151, except as otherwise specified. This approval shall occur at the time of purchase or transfer, prior to the purchaser or transferee taking possession of the ammunition. Pursuant to the authorization specified in paragraph (1) of subdivision (c) of Section 30352, the following persons are authorized to purchase ammunition:
(2) A purchaser or transferee who has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the department pursuant to Section 26710.

California Code of Regulations Title 11 Division 5 Chapter 10 Article 2 Section 4285
COE Verification Process.
(a) A purchaser or transferee is authorized to purchase ammunition if they hold a current Certificate of Eligibility, subsequent to verification by the Department.
(1) A purchaser or transferee may request, through an ammunition vendor, that the Department conduct a COE Verification to determine if the purchaser or transferee qualifies for this authorization.
(b) As authorized by Penal Code section 30370, subdivision (e), the fee for COE Verification is $1.00.
(c) The ammunition vendor shall collect the ammunition purchaser's or transferee's name, date of birth, current address, and driver's license or other government identification number in the manner described in Penal Code section 28180, telephone number, and COE number, and enter the information into the DES website.
(d) Upon the Department's completion of the COE Verification, the Department shall update the purchaser's or transferee's DES record to instruct the ammunition vendor to approve or reject the ammunition purchase or transfer.

[Djantlive]

Ask a 2A frIend?

[johncage]

Get your CoE and 03FFL and then enjoy waiving your middle finger at Gavin while you mail order ammo to your heart's content.

not much of a middle finger after you jump through their hoops like circus monkeys and pay the extortion fees

[FourT6and2]

Guys... I've applied for FFL/COE. I actually had both a few years ago but didn't renew in time because I was traveling. Anyway... the ammo I'm trying to buy is not available online anywhere. It's out of stock throughout the entire country but my local shop has two boxes lol.

Anyway... yes, I've purchased from TargetSportsUSA before so I know the drill.

I'm not buying a useless frame/receiver just so I can go back to the shop 10 days later for the privilege of spending $80 on one box of ammo. So I guess I'm gonna just wait for the FFL/COE to arrive and hopefully find some ammo online whenever it's back in stock.

[TAS]

not much of a middle finger after you jump through their hoops like circus monkeys and pay the extortion fees

[FourT6and2]

This is my thinking too. If I still bought ammo the way I used to, I might be inclined to go through these hoops but fortunately, I stocked up well before the change and I reload so that’s made a difference.

OP - good luck on your FFL03/COE!

Yeah the process is silly. But once you do it, it's not the end of the world I guess. Go get Live Scan, then 4 pages of paperwork and mail a copy to local police chief. I already got confirmation in CFARS for address update, so I should be good to go on that front. Should be able to buy that one box of ammo now lol.

One thing I as confused about is Part B of 03FFL application. Instructions say Part B is required. But then on Part B it talks about how it's for additional responsible parties. Sooooo does that mean you need to fill it out for yourself when you apply or it's ONLY if you want to add additional people to the FFL? I submitted it anyway. Hope that doesn't mess anything up.

[ar15barrels]

I just updated my address in CFARS. Hopefully that will do the trick

That will do the trick.
It might take a day or two for the address change to take effect though.
That's what I have heard mentioned.

[ar15barrels]

Yeah I just put the 03FFL/COE paperwork in the mail and also updated my address in CFARS.
Any idea how long that takes to actually process?

A few days on the COE.
A few months on the C&R.

Being exempt is really useful for lots of other things than just ammo.

[ar15barrels]

Interesting. That says COE doesn't do anything for ammo purchase.
Still have to do a background check.
But it's $1.
Is it instant?
Or do I still have to wait up to two weeks?

What about 03FFL?

I know FFL/COE means I can buy ammo online. But what about in person at a local shop?

When you purchase ammo at a CA FFL's shop, you show them your COE and 03FFL and they run a COE check instead of a background check.
It's still $1 but they are just checking that your COE is current instead of running a background check.
It's instant, like 1-2 minutes.

[FourT6and2]

Great, thanks

[xrMike]

I have an interesting question...

I moved to a new address about a year ago. Shortly after moving, I applied for and received a new "American Citizen" driver's license (the "real" one, not an illegal alien license) that shows my current address. I had to show my passport to obtain this new license. The problem is, I haven't bought any new guns at this address yet.

However, I still have my old, unexpired license showing my OLD address, where I had purchased MULTIPLE guns over the years. I don't live there anymore, but the license I still have for that address doesn't expire for another year and a half or so...

What prevents me from using the old license to buy ammo at the local Big 5 or gun store?

I am not interested in any ethical- or moral-based replies along the lines of "You can't do that! You don't live there anymore! That's unethical, brah!" Save that **** for some other cuck, like yourself.

I am only interested in the real, legally enforceable ramifications and penalties if I use the old license. Thanks for good replies, appreciate it.

[EM2]

I have an interesting question...

I moved to a new address about a year ago. Shortly after moving, I applied for and received a new "American Citizen" driver's license (the "real" one, not an illegal alien license) that shows my current address. I had to show my passport to obtain this new license. The problem is, I haven't bought any new guns at this address yet.

However, I still have my old, unexpired license showing my OLD address, where I had purchased MULTIPLE guns over the years. I don't live there anymore, but the license I still have for that address doesn't expire for another year and a half or so...

What prevents me from using the old license to buy ammo at the local Big 5 or gun store?

I am not interested in any ethical- or moral-based replies along the lines of "You can't do that! You don't live there anymore! That's unethical, brah!" Save that **** for some other cuck, like yourself.

I am only interested in the real, legally enforceable ramifications and penalties if I use the old license. Thanks for good replies, appreciate it.

NICE!
I like it when people ask a question and then go on to insult the very person who may decide to answer.
Good for you, dish it out, we can take it!

[bronco75a]

Why not just try purchasing ammo with your old license and see what happens, it's not like they have your old license flagged.

I have an interesting question...

I moved to a new address about a year ago. Shortly after moving, I applied for and received a new "American Citizen" driver's license (the "real" one, not an illegal alien license) that shows my current address. I had to show my passport to obtain this new license. The problem is, I haven't bought any new guns at this address yet.

However, I still have my old, unexpired license showing my OLD address, where I had purchased MULTIPLE guns over the years. I don't live there anymore, but the license I still have for that address doesn't expire for another year and a half or so...

What prevents me from using the old license to buy ammo at the local Big 5 or gun store?

I am not interested in any ethical- or moral-based replies along the lines of "You can't do that! You don't live there anymore! That's unethical, brah!" Save that **** for some other cuck, like yourself.

I am only interested in the real, legally enforceable ramifications and penalties if I use the old license. Thanks for good replies, appreciate it.

[xrMike]

NICE!
I like it when people ask a question and then go on to insult the very person who may decide to answer.
Good for you, dish it out, we can take it!

The way this forum has evolved lately, seems like half the membership has turned all woke and soy and righteous in their virtue signaling, I was just trying to eliminate replies from those members. I'm not really interested in the ethics or morality of using an old license to buy ammo, having lived in and abided (mostly) the laws of this f'd up state for so many years...

I've read your posts before, so I know that are not woke and drinking a soy latte in your pajamas right now, looking for a reason to be outraged by somebody... So you should not be offended!

Why not just try purchasing ammo with your old license and see what happens, it's not like they have your old license flagged.

I think I will do exactly that, thanks. Worst they can do is turn me down for some reason I'm not yet aware of. Eventually I will update in CFARs but again, I am so pissed off at this state, I don't even want to use their bull**** CFARs system to do something I could do without any hassles just a few years ago.

[ar15barrels]

I have an interesting question...

I moved to a new address about a year ago. Shortly after moving, I applied for and received a new "American Citizen" driver's license (the "real" one, not an illegal alien license) that shows my current address. I had to show my passport to obtain this new license. The problem is, I haven't bought any new guns at this address yet.

However, I still have my old, unexpired license showing my OLD address, where I had purchased MULTIPLE guns over the years. I don't live there anymore, but the license I still have for that address doesn't expire for another year and a half or so...

What prevents me from using the old license to buy ammo at the local Big 5 or gun store?

I am not interested in any ethical- or moral-based replies along the lines of "You can't do that! You don't live there anymore! That's unethical, brah!" Save that **** for some other cuck, like yourself.

I am only interested in the real, legally enforceable ramifications and penalties if I use the old license. Thanks for good replies, appreciate it.

You can purchase ammo with a VALID CA drivers license as long as it matches the address you used to purchase a firearm within the last 5-10 years or whatever timeframe the DOJ uses.

You should also make a CFARS login and update your address in CFARS so that you can use your current address as well.