$ Rate for DROS?

[papaboomboom]

What's everyone charging for dros papers now, just charged $68.00+ for 1 ppt of bolt action rifle. Is this the new rate? Also charged me 3.9% for using debit card for dros. Am I that outta touch? 🤔

[G-forceJunkie]

You got robbed.

[Russian Bot]

What's everyone charging for dros papers now, just charged $68.00+ for 1 ppt of bolt action rifle. Is this the new rate? Also charged me 3.9% for using debit card for dros. Am I that outta touch? 🤔

YIKES! Who did you use for this?

[Quiet]

What's everyone charging for dros papers now, just charged $68.00+ for 1 ppt of bolt action rifle. Is this the new rate? Also charged me 3.9% for using debit card for dros. Am I that outta touch? ��

CA DROS fee = $31.19 [PC 28233(a)] + $5.00 [PC 28300(a)] + $1.00 [PC 23690(a)(1)] = $37.19 total fees.

For a PPT = $37.19 total DROS fee + $10.00 dealer PPT fee [PC 28055(a)] = $47.19 total fees.

For CA, a PPT equates to a face-to-face transfer between CA residents facilitated by a CA FFL dealer.
~If the firearm is shipped, then it is not a PPT and is considered a type of dealer transfer.
~If one of the parties involved is a non-resident of CA, then it is not a PPT and is considered a type of dealer transfer.
~If it is a dealer transfer, the CA FFL dealer can legally charge any amount of money to facilitate the transfer and it would be indicated as a "dealer fee".

As long as the dealer does not state that additional fees are a part of the CA DROS fee [PC 26880], the dealer can charge additional fees such as a "handling fee" or a "storage fee" or a "service fee".



Penal Code 26880
A licensee shall not misstate the amount of fees charged by a governmental agency pursuant to Section 12806, Chapter 5 (commencing with Section 28050), and Article 3 (commencing with Section 28200) of Chapter 6.

Penal Code 28233
(a) The Department of Justice may, in addition to the fee described in Sections 28225 and 28230, require a dealer to charge each firearm purchaser a fee in the amount of thirty-one dollars and nineteen cents ($31.19).
(b) Moneys received by the department pursuant to this section shall be deposited in the Dealers’ Record of Sale Supplemental Subaccount, within the Dealers’ Record of Sale Special Account of the General Fund, which is hereby created, to be available, upon appropriation by the Legislature, for expenditure by the department to offset the reasonable costs of firearms-related regulatory and enforcement activities related to the sale, purchase, manufacturing, lawful or unlawful possession, loan, or transfer of firearms pursuant to any provision listed in Section 16580.
(c) The fee described in subdivision (a) may be increased at a rate no more than any increase in the California Consumer Price Index as compiled and reported by the Department of Industrial Relations, but not to exceed the reasonable cost of regulation to the department.

Penal Code 28300
(a) The Firearms Safety and Enforcement Special Fund is hereby established in the State Treasury and shall be administered by the Department of Justice.
(b) The Department of Justice may require firearms dealers to charge each person who obtains a firearm a fee not to exceed five dollars ($5) for each transaction, except that the fee may be increased at a rate not to exceed any increase in the California Consumer Price Index as compiled and reported by the Department of Industrial Relations, and not to exceed the reasonable cost of regulation to the department. Revenues from this fee shall be deposited in the Firearms Safety and Enforcement Special Fund.
(c) Revenue deposited into the Firearms Safety and Enforcement Special Fund shall be available for expenditure by the Department of Justice upon appropriation by the Legislature for the purpose of implementing and enforcing the provisions of Article 2 (commencing with Section 31610) of Chapter 4 of Division 10, enforcing Section 830.95, Title 2 (commencing with Section 12001) of Part 4, Sections 16000 to 16960, inclusive, Sections 16970 to 17230, inclusive, Sections 17240 to 21390, inclusive, and Sections 21590 to 34370, inclusive, and for the establishment, maintenance, and upgrading of equipment and services necessary for firearms dealers to comply with Article 2 (commencing with Section 28150).

Penal Code 23690
(a)(1) The Department of Justice may require each dealer to charge each firearm purchaser or transferee a fee not to exceed one dollar ($1) for each firearm transaction, except that the Department of Justice may increase the fee at a rate not to exceed any increase in the California Consumer Price Index, as compiled and reported by the Department of Industrial Relations, and not to exceed the reasonable cost of regulation to the Department of Justice.
(2) The fee shall be for the purpose of supporting department program costs related to this act, including the establishment, maintenance, and upgrading of related database systems and public rosters.
(b)(1) There is hereby created within the General Fund the Firearm Safety Account.
(2) Revenue from the fee imposed by subdivision (a) shall be deposited into the Firearm Safety Account and shall be available for expenditure by the Department of Justice upon appropriation by the Legislature.
(3) Expenditures from the Firearm Safety Account shall be limited to program expenditures as defined by subdivision (a).

Penal Code 28055
(a) For a sale, loan, or transfer conducted pursuant to this chapter, the purchaser or transferee or person being loaned the firearm may be required by the dealer to pay a fee not to exceed ten dollars ($10) per firearm.
(b) For temporary storage of a firearm pursuant to subdivision (f) of Section 28050, the seller, transferor, or person loaning a firearm may be required by the dealer to pay a fee not to exceed ten dollars ($10) per firearm.
(c) No other fee may be charged by the dealer for a sale, loan, or transfer of a firearm conducted pursuant to this chapter, except for the applicable fees that may be charged pursuant to Sections 23690 and 28300 and Article 3 (commencing with Section 28200) of Chapter 6 and forwarded to the Department of Justice, and the fees set forth in Section 31650.
(d) The dealer may not charge any additional fees.
(e) Nothing in these provisions shall prevent a dealer from charging a smaller fee.

[xblax619]

today i was charged a flat $40 for dros on a used firearm from a store’s inventory. i asked the lady that rang me up and she said thats what they charge for dros. i’m pretty sure she was fairly new (and i had to get back to work) so i didn’t press the issue.

[Scratch705]

please name the stores that are literally committing a crime by illegally charging more than they are allowed for DROS.

they can add on "dealer fees" outside of the dros for any transaction but they are not allowed to call it DROS.

[papaboomboom]

This is breakdown of charges:
Doj dealer fee ppt (per firearm) $10.00
Dealer record of sale(dros) $31.19
Cti firearm safe handling fee. $15.00
Firearm safety fee(pen. Code 23690) $1.00
Firearm safety enforcement fee $5.00
CTI Firearm covid-19 impact fee $5.00
Total $67.19
I had drive 52 miles to make deal, didn't want to make trouble so just shut up, they have my rifle, afterall

[sfe187]

This is breakdown of charges:
Doj dealer fee ppt (per firearm) $10.00
Dealer record of sale(dros) $31.19
Cti firearm safe handling fee. $15.00
Firearm safety fee(pen. Code 23690) $1.00
Firearm safety enforcement fee $5.00
CTI Firearm covid-19 impact fee $5.00
Total $67.19
I had drive 52 miles to make deal, didn't want to make trouble so just shut up, they have my rifle, afterall

[jmpgnr24k]

[9Cal_OC]

They hosed you this:
Firearm safety Handling 15
Covid impact $5
Safety enforcement $5

Sorry to say but one hand if you don’t say anything they’ll just keep doing it. On the other hand you guys pick them and yes he has your rifle too late to make a scene, who the hell knows if a new dent shows up during pickup. If that’s the only FFL or only seller willing to use, not many other options. But get a habit of always call first and verify, not all FFLs play by the book. Chalk it up as an experience and never use them again!

The safety enforcement is correct as it adds up to the $47.19. The additional $20 above are bogus fees. Not sure if OP paid the 3.9% card charge in addition to the total he mentioned above.

Don’t out them just yet if they still have your rifle.

[jmpgnr24k]

What's everyone charging for dros papers now, just charged $68.00+ for 1 ppt of bolt action rifle. Is this the new rate? Also charged me 3.9% for using debit card for dros. Am I that outta touch? 🤔

[sfe187]

Thx. My math was terrible!

[papaboomboom]

Not going to "out" them. They didn't force me to use their services, they were polite, professional, and have a clean well stocked store. They were just very high with their charges, I shuld have checked price before continuing, which I will do from now on. Thanx for all responses,,I just wanted to know if it was high

[morrcarr67]

CA DROS fee = $31.19 [PC 28233(a)] + $5.00 [PC 28300(a)] + $1.00 [PC 23690(a)(1)] = $37.19 total fees.

For a PPT = $37.19 total DROS fee + $10.00 dealer PPT fee [PC 28055(a)] = $47.19 total fees.

For CA, a PPT equates to a face-to-face transfer between CA residents facilitated by a CA FFL dealer.
~If the firearm is shipped, then it is not a PPT and is considered a type of dealer transfer.
~If one of the parties involved is a non-resident of CA, then it is not a PPT and is considered a type of dealer transfer.
~If it is a dealer transfer, the CA FFL dealer can legally charge any amount of money to facilitate the transfer and it would be indicated as a "dealer fee".

As long as the dealer does not state that additional fees are a part of the CA DROS fee [PC 26880], the dealer can charge additional fees such as a "handling fee" or a "storage fee" or a "service fee".



Penal Code 26880
A licensee shall not misstate the amount of fees charged by a governmental agency pursuant to Section 12806, Chapter 5 (commencing with Section 28050), and Article 3 (commencing with Section 28200) of Chapter 6.

Penal Code 28233Penal Code 28300
(a) The Firearms Safety and Enforcement Special Fund is hereby established in the State Treasury and shall be administered by the Department of Justice.
(b) The Department of Justice may require firearms dealers to charge each person who obtains a firearm a fee not to exceed five dollars ($5) for each transaction, except that the fee may be increased at a rate not to exceed any increase in the California Consumer Price Index as compiled and reported by the Department of Industrial Relations, and not to exceed the reasonable cost of regulation to the department. Revenues from this fee shall be deposited in the Firearms Safety and Enforcement Special Fund.
(c) Revenue deposited into the Firearms Safety and Enforcement Special Fund shall be available for expenditure by the Department of Justice upon appropriation by the Legislature for the purpose of implementing and enforcing the provisions of Article 2 (commencing with Section 31610) of Chapter 4 of Division 10, enforcing Section 830.95, Title 2 (commencing with Section 12001) of Part 4, Sections 16000 to 16960, inclusive, Sections 16970 to 17230, inclusive, Sections 17240 to 21390, inclusive, and Sections 21590 to 34370, inclusive, and for the establishment, maintenance, and upgrading of equipment and services necessary for firearms dealers to comply with Article 2 (commencing with Section 28150).

Penal Code 23690
(a)(1) The Department of Justice may require each dealer to charge each firearm purchaser or transferee a fee not to exceed one dollar ($1) for each firearm transaction, except that the Department of Justice may increase the fee at a rate not to exceed any increase in the California Consumer Price Index, as compiled and reported by the Department of Industrial Relations, and not to exceed the reasonable cost of regulation to the Department of Justice.
(2) The fee shall be for the purpose of supporting department program costs related to this act, including the establishment, maintenance, and upgrading of related database systems and public rosters.
(b)(1) There is hereby created within the General Fund the Firearm Safety Account.
(2) Revenue from the fee imposed by subdivision (a) shall be deposited into the Firearm Safety Account and shall be available for expenditure by the Department of Justice upon appropriation by the Legislature.
(3) Expenditures from the Firearm Safety Account shall be limited to program expenditures as defined by subdivision (a).

Penal Code 28055
(a) For a sale, loan, or transfer conducted pursuant to this chapter, the purchaser or transferee or person being loaned the firearm may be required by the dealer to pay a fee not to exceed ten dollars ($10) per firearm.
(b) For temporary storage of a firearm pursuant to subdivision (f) of Section 28050, the seller, transferor, or person loaning a firearm may be required by the dealer to pay a fee not to exceed ten dollars ($10) per firearm.
(c) No other fee may be charged by the dealer for a sale, loan, or transfer of a firearm conducted pursuant to this chapter, except for the applicable fees that may be charged pursuant to Sections 23690 and 28300 and Article 3 (commencing with Section 28200) of Chapter 6 and forwarded to the Department of Justice, and the fees set forth in Section 31650.
(d) The dealer may not charge any additional fees.
(e) Nothing in these provisions shall prevent a dealer from charging a smaller fee.

Can they only charge a certain amount ? Yes. Can they add up all the bull our politicians stack up on us to stay in business, yes.

@jmpgnr24k

As noted above, for a PPT by law dealers are NOT allowed to add any fees other than the $10 that is codified.

On dealer inventory or a dealer transfer, you would be correct.

[The Gleam]

Dealer broke the law, plain in simple.

No amount of whiny, bitchy, cry-baby excuses about the burden of being "forced" to have customers who are also unwillingly forced to cross their threshold in patronizing their business and do PPTs can change that fact.

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