Off Roster PPTs at Big Box Stores

[ksingh1469]

I usually go to the rancho cordova sportsman warehouse to do all my ppts due to convenience. Was scheduling a time with the buyer to do a ppt this past weekend and called sw and they declined to do an off roster ppt when I asked them over the phone. Gave details about make/model of the gun. Called up bass pro in manteca and rocklin and they both said they would do it. Again told them its off roster and gave them the make/model of the gun. The only thing they informed me was to show up first thing Sunday morning to beat the weekend traffic. I didn't consider mom and pop shops because there was uncertainty between who would be open and what time we could do the transfer due to tight schedules and some shops require appointments. Got to the store and they checkin the gun and take me upstairs. When I get to the gun counter they refuse to do the ppt. No reasons given just that its not on the roster so no ppt. Spent about 45 mins there trying to talk and find a reason only to be denied repeatedly even after they said they would do it over the phone. Finally they escorted me out of the store with a smile on the face. Found a private shop that went out of their way to do the ppt seamlessly. I'll go out of my way to stop giving my business to these corporate stores both online and in person. Overall not looking good for us gun owners here especially the way these sporting goods shops have started acting.

[SilveradoColt21]

SW had instituted that policy not too long ago, In general I tend to stay away from big box stores because 1. all of their stuff is generally overpriced 2. silly policies like this one, mom and pop shops are the way to go.

[sfe187]

You should track down the person who said ok over the phone. That's the problem with big box counter monkeys, nobody knows anything, not even their own employer's policy. I don't patron big box for ppt EVER!

[G38xOC]

It doesn't take much to just put on hold then go ask their manager . I guess Minimum pay Minimum efforts on those guys .

[metalhead]

I am in sacramento area but I have never done any ppt at big box stores . There are quite a few gun shops in the area that you should try next time . Sacramento gun club or the gun range are good to go.


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[Foothills]

SW has kind of a line sometimes. Off the shelf sales are probably faster now.

[ar15barrels]

I usually go to the rancho cordova sportsman warehouse to do all my ppts due to convenience. Was scheduling a time with the buyer to do a ppt this past weekend and called sw and they declined to do an off roster ppt when I asked them over the phone. Gave details about make/model of the gun. Called up bass pro in manteca and rocklin and they both said they would do it. Again told them its off roster and gave them the make/model of the gun. The only thing they informed me was to show up first thing Sunday morning to beat the weekend traffic. I didn't consider mom and pop shops because there was uncertainty between who would be open and what time we could do the transfer due to tight schedules and some shops require appointments. Got to the store and they checkin the gun and take me upstairs. When I get to the gun counter they refuse to do the ppt. No reasons given just that its not on the roster so no ppt. Spent about 45 mins there trying to talk and find a reason only to be denied repeatedly even after they said they would do it over the phone. Finally they escorted me out of the store with a smile on the face. Found a private shop that went out of their way to do the ppt seamlessly. I'll go out of my way to stop giving my business to these corporate stores both online and in person. Overall not looking good for us gun owners here especially the way these sporting goods shops have started acting.

There is no requirement for any FFL to do off-roster handgun PPT's.
They are only required to do PPT's for the types of firearms that they actually sell.
For example, Big5 does not sell handguns so they do not do ANY handgun PPT's regardless of if they are either on or off roster.
So in order to save doing any extra PPT's which they are not required to do, the big box stores have figured out they can simply decline to do off-roster handgun PPT's since they do not sell any off-roster handguns.

[Djantlive]

Sac area LGS also don’t do PPT at all I hear.

[edgerly779]

If in OC use shootsocal for ppts and transfers. I use big 5 near me for long gun ppts.

[Ben R]

Doing a PPT is a sales opportunity.
Stores are foolish not to do them.

[The Gleam]

There is no requirement for any FFL to do off-roster handgun PPT's.
They are only required to do PPT's for the types of firearms that they actually sell.
For example, Big5 does not sell handguns so they do not do ANY handgun PPT's regardless of if they are either on or off roster.
So in order to save doing any extra PPT's which they are not required to do, the big box stores have figured out they can simply decline to do off-roster handgun PPT's since they do not sell any off-roster handguns.

Then Sportsman's Warehouse had better not have any consignment off-roster handguns in their store. Do they? ( Have no idea, and never been to one, but I was of the understanding they are a lot like Turner's which does.)

Regardless, I don't think the intent of that (in the way Big-5 doesn't do handguns) was to except the requirement and give authority to them to not do PPTs for off-roster handguns.

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[ar15barrels]

Regardless, I don't think the intent of that (in the way Big-5 doesn't do handguns)
was to except the requirement and give authority to them to not do PPTs for off-roster handguns.

The law reads the way it reads and the places that don't sell off-roster are simply following the rules and regulations.
It's a side-effect of the word of the laws, not an intention.
The state is OK with it though as they rather not have people transferring off-roster handguns.

Ever hear of any company getting in trouble with the DOJ for not doing off-roster PPT's?

Do you think that the wording of AW laws was intending for people to get rid of features and have detachable magazine semi-auto rifles with uncomfortable grips?

[The Gleam]

The law reads the way it reads and the places that don't sell off-roster are simply following the rules and regulations.
It's a side-effect of the word of the laws, not an intention.
The state is OK with it though as they rather not have people transferring off-roster handguns.

Ever hear of any company getting in trouble with the DOJ for not doing off-roster PPT's?

Do you think that the wording of AW laws was intending for people to get rid of features and have detachable magazine semi-auto rifles with uncomfortable grips?

I know; but you just cited everything that is implied, but was intended for type of firearm, not Roster status.

The day the Roster went into effect there were suddenly thousands of models of firearms deemed Off-Roster because they were no longer made, and were not C&R whereas the Bill SB15 which became the Roster nonsense did not provide any grandfather clause such as only applying to guns made 1/1/2000 and thereafter.

(Such as, they wouldn't retroactively require a 1983 Mustang GT to have air-bags or it can't be sold in CA - but I wouldn't put it past the current legislators to try something like this.)

So when CA State Attorney General Bill Lockyer wrote his opinion on the matter at the time, he specifically instructed dealers to do PPTs on off-Roster handguns if in fact they sold handguns at all, and only the ability to decline was based on type of firearm, not if off-Roster status, so long as it was legal to own and possess in CA, where off-roster handguns were exempted to avoid cultivating an undocumented private transfer black market.

So if they sell handguns at all, they would in fact need to also do transfers for the same, off-roster not being a 'type' of firearm ( especially because a handgun could be on the Roster now, but not next year or a legally owned handgun from 1989 and discontinued in 1999 never would have had a chance to be on the Roster in the first place.)

I think there are good grounds to fight that self-adopted interpretation on labeling off-Roster as a 'type' of firearm vs. the requirement to do PPTs if in fact they sell handguns at all.

Though, like you noted - that would take Bonta and his staffers to actually do his job, step in, and express written opinion and guidance on the matter as used to be the case regularly from the AG's office.

We only see that now when they aim to support anti-2nd Amendment legislation, so no, we probably won't ever see anything from this loser Bonta who just happens to be biased with disdain for private gun ownership.

On that point I agree; he's a useless shill for gun control - but that's not the way it should be. Bonta works for us, not the other way around; he needs to do his damned job and give guidance, even if there is something he doesn't like about it.

Regardless, does Sportsman's Warehouse in fact sell consignment firearms that are also off-Roster?

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[ar15barrels]

Though, like you noted - that would take Bonta and his staffers to actually do his job, step in, and express written opinion and guidance on the matter as used to be the case regularly grom the AG's office.

I would not hold your breath on that actually occurring.

[The Gleam]

I would not hold your breath on that actually occurring.

LOL! I was literally going to type "but I'm not going to hold my breath on that." at the end of that paragraph.

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