California Bashing

[Guest]

44 Cannon - I debated back and forth about whether or not to respond to your post. In the end curiosity got the best of me so...

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 44 Canon:
However, I do not live by the "team player, home team" rules, and am outright against them, as they only serve to distort our concept of reality and lead to us backing things up that we shouldn't.

<span class="ev_code_BLUE">What do you mean by this statement. What exactly is it that "distorts our concept of reality"? What are we led to back that we should not support?</span>

The truth is, California is one of the worst places in the entire country on a political scale and many corrupt and sinister political operations started here and continue to do so.
While the teratorial portion of California is consurvative, the liberal ideals and way of mind spread very wide and deap.

<span class="ev_code_BLUE">California certainly is bad when it comes to corruption. No argument there. However, political corruption is not a phenomenon unique to California. I recall recently a governor on the East coast (I think it was New Jersey) had to leave office for his abuse of power. With that said, I think it is a gross mischaracterization to imply that the liberal mindset is pervasive in the state. By the way, what do you mean by "teratorial" portion of California? Do you mean the more rural areas?</span>

Quite frankley, their common behavioral pattern is very noticable on this forum by a large portion of it's members. In fact, in some cases, the only difference I see is what they stand for, while the way of mind and reasoning is exactley the same.

<span class="ev_code_BLUE">What behavior pattern is it that you notice being exhibited by "a large portion" of the members of this forum? </span>

Another part of the problem is that many gun owners, particularley in this state seam to have the idea in mind that gun control is the soul evil of this state. While it may be your specialty, it is still only one piece of the pie. Evil is not limited to gun control.

<span class="ev_code_BLUE">What gives you the idea that many gun owners in this state belive that California gun-control laws are the sole evil of the state? I actually do not personally know any California gun owner that believe gun-control gone wild is the sole problem with the government in California. Remember, this is a forum for gun owners to discuss gun related issues. </span> QUOTE]

[Guest]

My generic response for "Cali-bashing" is to point out that our state feeds the rest of the nation (many of the welfare states) billions of dollars a year that we never see a return on. Without California's economy, the rest of the country would suffer horrendously.
If that doesn't shut them up, I point out that in February, I often am wearing shorts and a t-shirt.

[icormba]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Basura Blanca:
If that doesn't shut them up, I point out that in February, I often am wearing shorts and a t-shirt.
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besides that... I like to add what other State can you do the following:
go to the mountains, go snow skiing, go to the desert, go to the beach all within the same week?

or I just post a couple of these pictures:

http://icormba.com/pages/Pictures/Yosemite/Img_0183.jpg

http://icormba.com/pages/Pictures/campkautzky/Image32.jpg

http://icormba.com/pages/Pictures/carmel12_26_00/14.jpg

[imported_booknut]

I just think it's funny how folks like to make statements.
"You know what they say about living in_______(name your state, county, town), if you don't like the weather just wait a minute!" Hardeeharhar!

In ANY state, you are going to have areas that appear more Liberal, Conservative, Democratic, Republican, Green, whatever.

When I lived in Alaska I kept hearing from people outside the state how 'wild' it is to live there. I mean, dogmushers tearing through town, bars open all hours with gold prospectors spending all their gold there, people getting government land for cheap or free to build a homestead on, etc.

Alaska has active Dem/Rep/Green and Independence parties.
You'll fine enviromentalists as well as the 'let's dig up everything' folks.

In Texas, I used to have people tell me you could strap on your ole' sixshooter and walk through town while carrying your Bowie knife on the other side.
That folks still could be hanged for being horse theives, etc.

Just like everywhere else, you have all sorts of people with all sorts of ideas on how to run things in Texas.

Same thing in Oklahoma, Georgia, North Carolina, New Mexico hmmm where else have I lived hmmmm?

It's the same old thing everywhere I go. People want to talk about how original or special their state is and then run down the people of another state.
I'm living in a county with LOTS of rednecks AND hippies.
Oh, and by the way, if you don't like the weather up here...wait a minute, it'll change.

[ivanimal]

It is always better or worse some hwere else. I love this state. icorumba I dont know whether or not to applaude you or call you names. Those pictures make me want to dust off the Jeep and head for the hills! Too much snow

[Guest]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by icormba:
besides that... I like to add what other State can you do the following:
go to the mountains, go snow skiing, go to the desert, go to the beach all within the same week? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Same week? Same day man. Same frickin' day if you want!

[Guest]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by booknut:

When I lived in Alaska I kept hearing from people outside the state how 'wild' it is to live there. I mean, dogmushers tearing through town, bars open all hours with gold prospectors spending all their gold there, people getting government land for cheap or free to build a homestead on, etc. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You forgot to mention that the price of an igloo was only around $45,000 on a good size lot.

[Guest]

I was visiting with extended in-laws in West Virginia a few years back. A few of those folks had never ventured out much farther than that general area of the country (PA, VA, WV, MD, etc.) It was strange though, how many of them seemed to have all sorts of preconceived "expert" notions about what California was like - especially places like L.A. in particular.

In a way, I guess it's good to let some of those notions remain intact (it keeps the West Virginians out of the Golden State ), but on the other hand, it's downright sad that some people have such a limited view of what the rest of the country is really like.

[Ford8N]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> it's downright sad that some people have such a limited view of what the rest of the country is really like.
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I meet people like that when I'm out of state too. It's funny that the so called worldly experts also happen to be the ones who have never been out side of their own county.

[jared@barringtons.com]

<span class="ev_code_BLUE">What do you mean by this statement. What exactly is it that "distorts our concept of reality"? What are we led to back that we should not support?</span>

WHY DO I HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS STUFF TO YOU GUYS!?
Team player = Standing behind your state, city, group etc. just because that's what your from/part of. In the end, you end up supporting them when their wrong or going against what's real.

<span class="ev_code_BLUE">California certainly is bad when it comes to corruption. No argument there. However, political corruption is not a phenomenon unique to California. I recall recently a governor on the East coast (I think it was New Jersey) had to leave office for his abuse of power. With that said, I think it is a gross mischaracterization to imply that the liberal mindset is pervasive in the state. By the way, what do you mean by "teratorial" portion of California? Do you mean the more rural areas?</span>

Teratorial means by land mass as opposed to outright population. I've seen quite a bit of the state, and I have never incountered any comunity or area where even among the consurvative crowd, liberal idealism and/or way of thinking has bled in to. Their is an old saying: Birds of a feather Flock together, or, one bad apple spoils the bunch. Some peoples resistance to social influence is better then others, but to live in this state and NOT pick up on liberal idealism, you have got to be extreamley strong in this area. Most people in this state i've come across are camilians. Keep in mind that I said most, not all.

<span class="ev_code_BLUE">What behavior pattern is it that you notice being exhibited by "a large portion" of the members of this forum? </span>

I have ALLOT of work to do between now and saturday afternoon, but some time this week, i'll go to some primearally liberal forums I am a member of and grab some stuff off of this one to show you.

<span class="ev_code_BLUE">What gives you the idea that many gun owners in this state belive that California gun-control laws are the sole evil of the state? I actually do not personally know any California gun owner that believe gun-control gone wild is the sole problem with the government in California. Remember, this is a forum for gun owners to discuss gun related issues. </span>

That is true. The problem is that to many gun owners in California are vurbal and/or active supporters of other corruptions in the state. If they support it, then what more do you need?

[Guest]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by macman:

However, political corruption is not a phenomenon unique to California. I recall recently a governor on the East coast (I think it was New Jersey) had to leave office for his abuse of power. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not that it really matters, but if you mean Mcgreevey, he voluntarily resigned after coming "out" and admitting to an affair he had with another man.
I don't think there was any other issue attached to it (abuse of power), but I could be wrong.

[Guest]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 44 Canon:

WHY DO I HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS STUFF TO YOU GUYS!?
Team player = Standing behind your state, city, group etc. just because that's what your from/part of. In the end, you end up supporting them when their wrong or going against what's real. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you bring it up in a way that's unclear, be prepared to explain yourself. Macman's question (one which you skirted) was a valid inquiry in my opinion. Besides, you're simply equivocating your poor analogy of "team player" with someone that blindly follows the mandates of our state government. That isn't even what was asked.

So what is it that the large majority of the population is being led to support that is "wrong" or goes against what is "real" simply because they reside in California and stand behind their love of the state (not the government)?

Try it again. Or will this end up like our discussion about PTSD?

[Guest]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 44 Canon:

I have ALLOT of work to do between now and saturday afternoon, but some time this week, i'll go to some primearally liberal forums I am a member of and grab some stuff off of this one to show you. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm waiting with bated breath for this.

[Guest]

Still waiting...

[Bling Bling]

I can defnitely understand why others bash CA. C'mon take a look at our last gubernatorial race. How can ANYONE take CA seriously?? You have got to be kidding me! GARY COLEMAN RAN FOR GOVERNOR! Not to mention the biggest embarrassment to this state barbara boxer and diane feinstein. They've stunk up this state and now they are polluting our federal gov. How can you blame them for hating CA?

CA sucks but there ARE advantages to living here. We get good weather, higher pay checks, and beautiful country. That's worth a little embarrassment.