California Bashing

[Bruce]

I recently had a run in with a fellow on line who placed all the blame for the locks S&W on California gun laws. I referred to his rant as "gunshop commando" stuff and received a "private message" offering to kick my a*s if I had the nerve to call him that to his face.(This responsible(?) gun owner lives on the East Coast.)
I for one am tired of hearing how California is the root of all evil in the world. Is it just me or do these California-Bashers tick off others of you who are natives of the Golden State?

[Bruce]

I recently had a run in with a fellow on line who placed all the blame for the locks S&W on California gun laws. I referred to his rant as "gunshop commando" stuff and received a "private message" offering to kick my a*s if I had the nerve to call him that to his face.(This responsible(?) gun owner lives on the East Coast.)
I for one am tired of hearing how California is the root of all evil in the world. Is it just me or do these California-Bashers tick off others of you who are natives of the Golden State?

[Technical Ted]

That's why this board exists.

[snwnme@realguns.com]

You should've invited him over to try.

BTW, it's not Kali that "caused" those S&W locks. IIRC, it's MD.

[50 Freak]

Yeah, a personal pet peeve I have is all the people out there that don't know their head from an ***-Ole regarding Cali gun laws but yet love to write long posts on other boards about how we in Cali can only have slingshots (as long as we don't carry more than 10 rocks legally kept in a locked container)

Cali I hate to admit it is a "whipping boy" for the rest of the states as we are a "shining example" of a responsible gun community. I had been warning others on various other boards that Cali may be very strict on gun laws but we're not the only ones, look at MA or NY or DC. Hell some of those are worse than us in some aspects of gun laws, but again, to everyone, Cali is the worse of the offenders.

Personally I think it is a little jealousy from other states. We have fantastic weather, women and good paying jobs (sort of). And gun ownership I hate to admit it is not always my number one priority in picking where I live. Family, Friends and Jobs are.

[Guest]

Just keep baiting them and see how mad they get, sooner or later they will give up or go away.

As long as you live in Kali you'll have to deal with idiots that think it's all OUR fault. Try going to arf.com under the "hometown" section, it amazes me at the number of people from other states that post there.

[Ford8N]

Anyone who is to the point of wanting to threaten physical violence because of some internet post, needs to get a life. They have serious problems!

Not all of Kali is anti-gun. I Kali bash all the time, but it as a whole, is not the source of the problem. I can point out that most of the state is red. It's generally the big population countys that go blue. A similar thing goes on in NY. Sadly, Fienstien and Boxer are from blue counties and don't represent my point of view in congress. And I have been all over the Western US, we do have the best paying jobs. That's why I stay. $

And I have been all over the western US. We do have the best looking women per capita.

[imported_11Z50]

I agree the $$$ is best here. That's what keeps me here. If a guy can do well enough financially he can take a trip to the free states from time to time. The area I live is very much different from the blue (metro) counties. Guns and shooting are a normal part of nearly everybody's life. Sadly, as I've said many times before, the big populated areas control the vote, which equals geeks like Fienstien and Boxer et al in power. The central part of the state should seceede, we have little in common with LA or SF.

[ivanimal]

I believe Washington DC, New York City and the state of New Jersey have imposed more threatening handgun proposals and laws than us, or them or we or I dunno. Who is to blame for all this dreck? Not you anyway. The guy should leave you alone except that he may be a mouth breather in which case he may never change. You can’t teach some people.

[Guest]

I'll just state it up front. From time to time I engage in Cali bashing. However, it is not to disparage the people of California nor the state itself. I am a Cali native. I love Cali. I will most likely never leave Cali. As a native I believe I have a right to bash incredibly bad and probably unconstitutional decisions made by our wonderful state government. However, to claim that Cali gun control laws "caused" the locks on S&W's is simply ignorant. To then threaten physical violence, well that's pathological.

[Braz]

I bash Kali sometimes,

But I chose to live there for good reasons. It's the greatest state in the union, with respects to my Texas upbringing. Unfortunatly, too many people agree with me. It just got too crowded. And crowds bring silly laws. Of course California wasn't responsible for the locks. But Boxer, Fienstien and company are loading up national bills as well as state proposals.

It wasn't until I moved away that I realized how far from average American gun rights we had fallen. My first gunshow was a wakeup call. I wish you folks who choose to stay the very best, but I fear each year brings more rules and unfair laws upon decent Californian gunowners. In any case, have fun, and good shooting!

[jared@barringtons.com]

I moved to California from Alaska when I was 8 years old and lived here until I was 18, where I began living back and fourth between California and Florida ( and spent some time in Texas ) so it is clear that California is the place I grew up in. However, I do not live by the "team player, home team" rules, and am outright against them, as they only serve to distort our concept of reality and lead to us backing things up that we shouldn't.
The truth is, California is one of the worst places in the entire country on a political scale and many corrupt and sinister political operations started here and continue to do so.
While the teratorial portion of California is consurvative, the liberal ideals and way of mind spread very wide and deap.
I was a liberal myself between the ages of 14 and 18, surrounded by liberals between the ages of 9 and early 18 and know the type of people and way of reasoning like I know my own name.
Quite frankley, their common behavioral pattern is very noticable on this forum by a large portion of it's members. In fact, in some cases, the only difference I see is what they stand for, while the way of mind and reasoning is exactley the same.
Some of you may think this is just common humanity. If you think so, then you need to visit some of the truley consurvative parts of the country more.
Another part of the problem is that many gun owners, particularley in this state seam to have the idea in mind that gun control is the soul evil of this state. While it may be your specialty, it is still only one piece of the pie. It is quite common for gun owners, especially in liberal states to make the same "un-researched" missjudgments on other important issues that they so dearley hate others making on them, abortion being the most common. In that respect, who is to say that you yourself are not a part of the problem in this state?
Evil is not limited to gun control. California is all in all, a very corrupt place and how can the people of California come together and mend the state to the wonderful place it once was when they are throwing the same cheap punches at eachother on different issues.
As for the issues on hand, I don't know enough about them to make any kind of judgment.

[jnojr]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bruce:
I recently had a run in with a fellow on line who placed all the blame for the locks S&W on California gun laws. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

How'd he come to that conclusion? There's only one entity who could have put locks in S&Ws, and that entity is... S&W. Every other gun manufacturer in the world hasn't done so because of CA law... they let us pay our $6 or whatever extra to buy another stupid lock that sits in a drawer gathering dust.

You ran into an idiot. No big surprise... the world is full of 'em.

[walkerboh4269]

I agree idiots are everywhere.

When I lived in Texas some of the people out there would say some strange things after they found out I was from California.

My favorite was the guy who told me that you can walk down the street smoking marijuana and the Cops could not touch you because Ca law made pot legal. Even after I explained the real law to him he still insisted that he was right.

[PinnedAndRecessed]

As one who has lived all over the United States I can only say that the bashing is somewhat justified.

California has long been a conduit for anti-Americanism and socialist politics for the rest of the country. It is naive to think otherwise.

The only thing that is not justified is to lump all of us with the socialists and perverts which the rest of the nation thinks typifies our state.

When I moved here I assumed all California was Charles Manson/L.A. Watts riots mentality. I was actually surprised to see significant religious and political conservativism.

Granted, some people in some areas make more money. Per capita, however, we don't do much better than other places.

The food is the best, at least until we eliminate farmland in favor of houses at grossly inflated prices.

The weather is truly spectacular. That might be enough to keep me here. But I doubt it.

Everyplace has good and bad. It just depends upon your priorities. I don't think we should get our panties in a twist just because someone has something negative to say, however. It goes with the territory.