What is rationale for limitations on threaded barrels?

[lanzador49]

My understanding is that a threaded barrel on an semi-automatic pistol with a detachable magazine turns the gun into an illegal assault weapon the possession of which is treated as a felony under PC 30515(a)(4)(A)

I know that there is typically no rhyme or reason when it comes to California gun laws, and that laws often arise out of compromise language that results in widespread confusion and crippling ambiguity...but if anyone can shed some light: what is the concern about a threaded barrel on a semi-automatic handgun with a detachable magazine? Why is a "flash suppressor" or "silencer" such a concern?

This is a theoretical question - just trying to understand...

Thanks to all.

[lastinline]

There is no rationale. This is California; that says everything you need to know.

[bugsy714]

Presumably that they feel a threaded barrel facilitates the attachment of a silencer


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[G-forceJunkie]

Can't put those evil silencers and flash hiders on

[SkyHawk]

The same rationale that bans nunchucks and throwing stars: someone watched too many Steven Seagal movies and got scured that ninjas and other assassins would be wildin in the streets of CA

[lanzador49]

There is no rationale. This is California; that says everything you need to know.

That pretty much says it all!

So, a "silence" or "flash suppressor" makes the firearm more dangerous or lethal?

Maybe it's this: if people don't hear a gunshot, they won't disperse and a shooter can cause more damage if people remain concentrated instead of running away at the sound of a gunshot?? i.e., the sound alerts people to imminent danger, and if the sound is suppressed, they become easy targets? That's really all I can think of.

(And about the nunchucks...how is anybody supposed to get skills? I learned long ago from Napoleon that girls only want boyfriends that have great skills...)

[bohoki]

if you want it you can't have it

[lanzador49]

if you want it you can't have it

Ahhhh, California.

You're on to me...I only want things I can't have. Just ask my 4th, 5th, and 6th wives...!

[M76]

To suppress our inalienable rights

[johncage]

That pretty much says it all!

So, a "silence" or "flash suppressor" makes the firearm more dangerous or lethal?

Maybe it's this: if people don't hear a gunshot, they won't disperse and a shooter can cause more damage if people remain concentrated instead of running away at the sound of a gunshot?? i.e., the sound alerts people to imminent danger, and if the sound is suppressed, they become easy targets? That's really all I can think of.

(And about the nunchucks...how is anybody supposed to get skills? I learned long ago from Napoleon that girls only want boyfriends that have great skills...)

that is one of their rationales because most politicians are braindead and ignorant, they believe silencers act exactly like this scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fOQlhdzcrA

[RickD427]

My understanding is that a threaded barrel on an semi-automatic pistol with a detachable magazine turns the gun into an illegal assault weapon the possession of which is treated as a felony under PC 30515(a)(4)(A)

I know that there is typically no rhyme or reason when it comes to California gun laws, and that laws often arise out of compromise language that results in widespread confusion and crippling ambiguity...but if anyone can shed some light: what is the concern about a threaded barrel on a semi-automatic handgun with a detachable magazine? Why is a "flash suppressor" or "silencer" such a concern?

This is a theoretical question - just trying to understand...

Thanks to all.

There is nothing in Penal Code section 30515 that makes possession of an Assault Weapon a felony.

All that Penal Code section 30515 does is to define an "Evil by Feature" Assault Weapon. It contains no penal provisions. You can't fang anybody for violating PC 30515.

The penal provisions governing Assault Weapons are Penal Code sections 30600 for one who "manufactures or causes to be manufactured, distributes, transports, or imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives or lends any assault weapon" and section 30605 for one who simply possesses an unregistered Assault Weapon.

Both PC 30600 and 30605 are felonies, but 30605 carries a lessor penalty and can be alternatively charged as a misdemeanor.

There really isn't any clearly explained rationale for the ban on threaded barrels. It's often a mistake to assume that rationality exists in the statutes. But in looking at the context of the statute, it appears to have been included in order to prevent the post-purchase installation if flash hiders and suppressors.

[Capybara]

You can never invoke logic or rationale in California gun laws, they are designed to harass and humilate law abiding citizens, nothing more. Same lack of logic as banning grenade launchers on, for instance, a Yugo SKS. Idiotic, like every gun law in this state. Grenades are illegal here, but the morons in Sacramento think if you have a surplus rifle from half a century ago, you're going to pop down to the local grenade emporium and wreak havoc on society.

If silencers are illegal in California, why would they care? Flash hiders aren't illegal here, they are only illegal in certain rifle configurations. They double down on the stupidity and paranoia, it's as if most of these supposedly highly educated lawyers and legislators in Sacramento received their firearms and weapons knowledge solely from Chuck Norris and Steven Seagal movies, instead of taking half an hour and learning about the realities of firearms and accessories. Not that it matters, even if they knew anything about firearms, they would still be pushing hard for civilian disarmament every single minute of every day.

[Oceanbob]

Funny. In New Zealand where one of my daughterS lives, you can buy a suppressors over the counter for as little as $40 bucks.
Gun store people even sell most of their hunting rifles with a surpressor and not having one is considered RUDE AND TOO MUCH NOISE.

None are licensed or serial numbered and is as easy as buying a typical cleaning kit.

[SkyHawk]

But in looking at the context of the statute, it appears to have been included in order to prevent the post-purchase installation if flash hiders and suppressors.

Because installing a threaded barrel is so hard. It literally adds 20 seconds to the process...

Apparently they thought that would slow down the criminal ninja assassins who are otherwise willing to break any law required shoot someone with a silenced pistol

[CAL.BAR]

Presumably that they feel a threaded barrel facilitates the attachment of a silencer


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Well, you can't very well attach a silencer WITHOUT threads ( or other specialized mounting attachments).