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  • steelholder
    Veteran Member
    • Jul 2010
    • 3327

    School me on body armor

    I have 10x12 plates but the area around the plates is obviously not protected. I have a bigger chest and would like some sort of protection on the surrounding areas, specifically rated against rifle rounds. What do you guys recommend? Are bigger plates my only option? What do you guys have?
    WTB 3rd Gen SW also looking for a 22 pistol with 6" bbl or longer
  • #2
    Yugo
    Calguns Addict
    • Feb 2011
    • 8359

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    Originally posted by WAMO556
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    Cutting off foreign aid to EVERY country and dismantling the police/surveillance state!

    Umm yeah!!!!!

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    • #3
      SharedShots
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2021
      • 2277

      Originally posted by steelholder
      I have 10x12 plates but the area around the plates is obviously not protected. I have a bigger chest and would like some sort of protection on the surrounding areas, specifically rated against rifle rounds. What do you guys recommend? Are bigger plates my only option? What do you guys have?
      What is your use case?

      Asking for everyone.

      As for options:

      1. Don't go places where you'll be shot at?
      2. Don't shoot at others so they won't shoot at you?
      3. Drive a tank.
      4. Get out of Ukraine - now.
      5. Hope the other guy doesn't have the new SigSauer and wonder bullet.









      .
      Last edited by SharedShots; 05-17-2022, 1:57 PM.
      Let Go of the Status Quo!

      Don't worry, it will never pass...How in the hell did that pass?

      Think past your gun, it's the last resort, the first is your brain.

      Defense is a losing proposition when time is on the side of the opponent. In the history of humanity, no defense has ever won against an enemy with time on their side.

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      • #4
        broadside
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2016
        • 1516

        They make 11x14 stuff.

        I am 6'3" and wear 2XL shirts and the 11x14 fits great. Yes I am fat but I am big guy all around.

        10x12 would easily break my ribs if shot as the curve of the plate is more than the curve of my chest so all the impact load will be just on the edges of the plate rather than spread out.

        The 11x14 lay flat on my chest.

        I'd recommend that you try on the plates of friends or hold them against you in a store that stocks them

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        • #5
          plumbum
          Calguns Addict
          • May 2010
          • 5394

          They make side plates, but that depends on if your rig has spots to hold them - if you’re beefy and feel like you need more coverage maybe look at soft armor for the love handles.
          Personally I’d just suggest not getting shot at, like ever… that will keep your cosplay rigs in mint condition!
          Originally posted by ysr_racer
          Please don't bring logic and reason into an interwebs discussion

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          • #6
            FeuerFrei
            Calguns Addict
            • Aug 2008
            • 7455

            Originally posted by steelholder
            I have 10x12 plates but the area around the plates is obviously not protected. I have a bigger chest and would like some sort of protection on the surrounding areas, specifically rated against rifle rounds. What do you guys recommend? Are bigger plates my only option? What do you guys have?
            Rifle Protection - a wide selection of Small Arms Protection Inserts (SAPI ) in Steel, Ceramic and Ultra-light Polyethelene Plates in ballistic Level III and Level IV, plus Rifle Plates Carriers.


            These guys have large size bullet resistant attire for walking targets. They will help you get fitted over the phone. I've used them before.

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            • #7
              steelholder
              Veteran Member
              • Jul 2010
              • 3327

              Originally posted by SharedShots
              What is your use case?

              Asking for everyone.

              As for options:

              1. Don't go places where you'll be shot at?
              2. Don't shoot at others so they won't shoot at you?
              3. Drive a tank.
              4. Get out of Ukraine - now.
              5. Hope the other guy doesn't have the new SigSauer and wonder bullet.









              .
              I live in L.A.
              WTB 3rd Gen SW also looking for a 22 pistol with 6" bbl or longer

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              • #8
                CGZ
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2014
                • 990

                Hard armor rated to stop rifle calibers (Level III(+) or IV) has its limitation in the amount of the body it can cover. It also requires bulkier carriers that can be heavy and uncomfortable to wear for long periods of time (this also means you can't conceal that you're wearing it). You're limited to steel plates which are heavy or ceramic plates which while lighter are typically more expensive and usually are only designed to stop a single round.

                Personally I would recommend something similar to what active duty service members are using, but that's just my bias as a veteran.

                On the other hand, I've seen soft armor rated to stop pistol calibers (level II or IIIA) as full body suits and even as t-shirts.

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                • #9
                  SharedShots
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2021
                  • 2277

                  Originally posted by steelholder
                  I live in L.A.
                  Then lean towards #3, driving a tank.

                  Seems like many major metro areas are just one step away from being unlivable, my condolences.

                  Don't forget, either drive with the windows down or spray the inside of all the windows with crazy glue. Not perfect but might help.
                  Let Go of the Status Quo!

                  Don't worry, it will never pass...How in the hell did that pass?

                  Think past your gun, it's the last resort, the first is your brain.

                  Defense is a losing proposition when time is on the side of the opponent. In the history of humanity, no defense has ever won against an enemy with time on their side.

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                  • #10
                    naz
                    Veteran Member
                    • Jun 2020
                    • 3108

                    Are you a civilian OP? Where do you go that you’re worried about taking fire from a rifle?

                    My $0.02 would be stay the heck away from there

                    Also, try concealing plates, and if you can’t, maybe just stick with soft pistol level iiia that you can conceal. as a civilian, I think concealment and not being the first target of bad guys is super important

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                    • #11
                      steelholder
                      Veteran Member
                      • Jul 2010
                      • 3327

                      Originally posted by CGZ
                      Hard armor rated to stop rifle calibers (Level III(+) or IV) has its limitation in the amount of the body it can cover. It also requires bulkier carriers that can be heavy and uncomfortable to wear for long periods of time (this also means you can't conceal that you're wearing it). You're limited to steel plates which are heavy or ceramic plates which while lighter are typically more expensive and usually are only designed to stop a single round.

                      Personally I would recommend something similar to what active duty service members are using, but that's just my bias as a veteran.

                      On the other hand, I've seen soft armor rated to stop pistol calibers (level II or IIIA) as full body suits and even as t-shirts.
                      What do active duty use? Thanks for your input.
                      WTB 3rd Gen SW also looking for a 22 pistol with 6" bbl or longer

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                      • #12
                        TKM
                        Onward through the fog!
                        CGN Contributor
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 10657

                        d-r is a member here who sells bullet resistant stuff.

                        Find some soft panels that extend beyond the plates and find a carrier.

                        It's not PTSD, it's nostalgia.

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                        • #13
                          The Gleam
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Feb 2011
                          • 12392

                          I think it is reasonable now days for anyone that goes to a public shooting range, to want, or at least be curious, about wearing a vest at the range.

                          There are more new shooters than ever before, and I'm seeing more sloppy safe-handling (or complete lack thereof) with grotesque examples of muzzle-sweeps of the line, due to many new gun owners entering the fray, treating their newfound interest, cultivated during the shamdemic, like toys rather than firearms.

                          What they know, they have learned from movies, TV, or playing cops-and-robbers at 8 years old with squirt guns.

                          A larger percentage than what has usually been seen have little to no concept of safe handling, many not even able to answer what are the 4 basic rules of safety if asked.

                          From selfies with guns to their head to collective groups with a single gun at the range treating it like a novelty party bauble, it's bad out there, and only a matter of time before the inevitable happens due to others' newb stupidity or worse - arrogance.

                          A vest would at least be a logical addition to one's gear - as well as a trauma kit - should you frequent public shooting ranges, no matter how strict their rules or how militant the R/O.

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                          Originally posted by Librarian
                          What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

                          If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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                          • #14
                            sigstroker
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 19615

                            Originally posted by broadside
                            They make 11x14 stuff.

                            I am 6'3" and wear 2XL shirts and the 11x14 fits great. Yes I am fat but I am big guy all around.

                            10x12 would easily break my ribs if shot as the curve of the plate is more than the curve of my chest so all the impact load will be just on the edges of the plate rather than spread out.

                            The 11x14 lay flat on my chest.

                            I'd recommend that you try on the plates of friends or hold them against you in a store that stocks them
                            The issue you might run into is not every carrier will take the big plates.

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                            • #15
                              sigstroker
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 19615

                              Originally posted by steelholder
                              What do active duty use? Thanks for your input.
                              It's unnecessarily expensive. Very lightweight considering, but unless you're going to be running and gunning all day, you don't need it. The best value these days is the chinese composite ceramic/UHWMPE plastic laminate stuff. It's not officially rated because it costs a fortune to get rated, but it stands up to rating equivalent they claim. See the youtube channel for MrGunsnGear. He blasts up armor a lot.

                              Originally posted by The Gleam
                              I think it is reasonable now days for anyone that goes to a public shooting range, to want, or at least be curious, about wearing a vest at the range.

                              There are more new shooters than ever before, and I'm seeing more sloppy safe-handling (or complete lack thereof) with grotesque examples of muzzle-sweeps of the line, due to many new gun owners entering the fray, treating their newfound interest, cultivated during the shamdemic, like toys rather than firearms.

                              What they know, they have learned from movies, TV, or playing cops-and-robbers at 8 years old with squirt guns.

                              A larger percentage than what has usually been seen have little to no concept of safe handling, many not even able to answer what are the 4 basic rules of safety if asked.

                              From selfies with guns to their head to collective groups with a single gun at the range treating it like a novelty party bauble, it's bad out there, and only a matter of time before the inevitable happens due to others' newb stupidity or worse - arrogance.

                              A vest would at least be a logical addition to one's gear - as well as a trauma kit - should you frequent public shooting ranges, no matter how strict their rules or how militant the R/O.

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                              You'll need a thick skin because everyone will be laughing at you, but at least you won't die of a torso shot. Wear a ballistic helmet too, to complete the effect.

                              There is a flexible armor that covers basically your whole chest, and is not as obvious as plates. It would work much better as everyday wear, but it's over a thousand bucks. I can't remember the name at the moment.

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