Firearm storage while on vacation

[smoothy8500]

hide them under a pile of dirty clothes. Leave underwear with a skid mark on top of the pile of clothes.

[golfish]

You can't bolt down a safe in an apartment. So a heavy safe. Is expensive. For a few guns, I like the pawning idea.

Don't you have to dros them to get em back?

[SharedShots]

OP lives in an apartment.

No one is going to see him move in a safe? The apartment manager isn't going to hear about it and come to inspect? Cutting sheetrock, bolting it to the studs? Everyone will know he has guns - read where he lives.

If OP is really that worried and the guns will fit into the trunk of his car, get a simple gun locker, put that in the trunk, guns go in there. Trunk gets locked.

Car goes to one of those car storage places, it's inside, they have security, cameras, alarms and all that. Someone always on duty. Pick up the car when OP gets back home.

Costs you what, a month's vehicle storage for an inside facility with 24x7 security and ID access?

https://www.cubesmart.com/storage/vehicle-storage

And for added measure, put one of those cheap but really loud door open alarms, battery powered inside the trunk. Cable lock the trunk shut.

[CheapBloke]

There are stack-on cabinets that you can assemble at home, panel by panel.

Then the OP can reinforce it by other means.

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[bugsy714]

FYI, CA laws have changed in regards to storing firearms for other people.

Under CA laws, starting 01-01-2020...

A non-FFL storing firearms for another person is considered a type of "loan" and non-exempt loans must be transferred through a CA FFL dealer. [PC 27545]

There are two types of storage loans that are exempt from needing to be transferred through a CA FFL dealer.

A.
The loan is done because the transferor is suicidal or someone living with the transferor is suicidal. The transferee needs to be a non-prohibited person age 18 or older and can not use the firearms in any manner other than transport & storage. For the entire duration of the loan, the firearms need to be unloaded and in a locked container/safe or disabled by a firearm safety device. The duration of this loan can last as long as duration of self-harm persists. If the transferor becomes a prohibited person during the loan, then the transferee must immediately surrender the firearms to law enforcement. [PC 27882]

B.
The loan is being done for general storage on the transferee's property. All of the firearms must be registered to the transferor. The transferee must be a non-prohibited person age 18 or older and can not use the firearms in any manner other than transport & storage. For the entire duration of the loan, the firearms need to be unloaded and in a locked container/safe or disabled by a firearm safety device. The duration of the loan can not be for more than 120 days. There must be a written & signed agreement between the transferor and transferee that lists the firearms and time period for the storage. [PC 27883]
^CA DOJ BOF has not yet published the form to use with this type of storage loan, even though they are required to do so. They are citing "COVID related staffing issues" for the delay.
~That said a document that includes the following should meet the requirements that CA DOJ wants: (a County ADA advised that this would meet the requirements)
1. Date of transfer.
2. Full name of transferor with valid CA DL/ID #.
3. Full name of transferee with valid CA DL/ID #.
4. Statement that the following firearms are being stored by the transferee for the transferor for the stated length of time (1-120 days).
5. Listing of all the firearms being stored. (make, model, caliber, serial number)
6. Dated signatures of the transferor and transferee.

If the storage loan does not meet any of the above requirements, then the firearms must be transferred (DROS, 10 day wait) to the transferee through a CA FFL dealer. [PC 27545]
^The return of the firearms is transferred (DROS, 10 day wait) through the same CA FFL dealer.

What about loaning them to firearms? Has there been a change for that


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[floogy]

There are stack-on cabinets that you can assemble at home, panel by panel.

Then the OP can reinforce it by other means.

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Yeah, even the ones that are welded together you could re label the box and bring it up with a dolly. Just a new beer fridge, cabinet, whatever.

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[edgerly779]

Get a gunsafe and lag bolt to wall from inside just 4 3/8' HOLES IN WALL TO PATCH LATER INSIDE CLOSET, That is what I did. Pawn shop will cost a lot. I just checked locally if you pawn 800 bucks worth of firearms will cost 70 bucks a month

[mk2dave]

While a safe is overall a good idea, assuming that's not feasible for some reason, would either of these two ideas work?

1. If there is an ffl that you are familiar with, ask them to hold them for you. I think you said it was only 4 firearms, so it's not like the ffl cant accommodate. Note serial numbers appropriately. I'd like to think a good FFL would like to safeguard firearms from thieves as much as anybody. EDIT: I'd expect some kind of fee, but $100 should last a while for four firearms that they dont have to do anything with.

2. A prolonged vacation is the scenario. Without knowing how long "prolonged" is, sell them to a friend for a buck. They'll have to get DROS'ed back and forth, but the piece of mind would be worth it.

I hope this helps, and I hope you find a reasonable solution.

[major burnout]

What are some options in this scenario given the following:

Apartment building
Extended vacation
Questionable neighborhood
No safe

Move.

[squeeze]

If you really have to go:

Have a bathtub?

Wrap up guns. Guns in tub. Broken glass and crumbled up sheet rock over guns filled to almost top of tub. Paint primer on bathroom walls. Tape X on bathroom window.

Anyone getting in isn't going to dig through broken glass and crumbled up sheetrock that fills the tub. Anyone getting in will find some cheap gun locker and take their time getting it open.

Now that idea is very creative!
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I have two unused trap shooting books/manuals for sale. See my posting here:

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=26822520#post26822520

[Quiet]

What about loaning them to firearms? Has there been a change for that

Eh?

CA laws regarding loaning firearms to friends was amended and starting 01-01-2017...

Loans to non-prohibited friends are no longer exempt from needing to be done through a CA FFL dealer.
^Meaning this type of loan must be done through a CA FFL dealer.
The law that use to allow it was amended to be limited to only family members and spouse.

Loans where the lender is physically present for the entire duration of the loan has not changed and is still exempt.
Loans of a firearm to a licensed hunter, for use during a specific hunting season and the duration lasting until the end of that hunting season, has not changed and is still exempt.

Starting 10-14-2017, a loan to a person enrolled in POST certification training, for the purpose of using the firearm for that training and the duration of the loan lasting until that training is completed, was made exempt from needing to be done through a CA FFL dealer.

Starting 01-01-2020, a new exemption was added that allowed a lender to loan a registered firearm to a non-prohibited person age 18 or older, as long as the firearm never leaves the property of the lender.

[CandG]

You can buy a good gun safe for less the the price of a vacation. So the solution is to take a look at your priorities, and re-order them as necessary.

[DoNotReply]

Get one of these and put in your closet or use as a coffee table.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/RIDGID-48-in-W-x-24-in-D-x-28-5-in-H-Universal-Storage-Chest-RB48/317120115

[SilveradoColt21]

A safe is a worthwhile investment, particularly a hidden safe would be best but in this case handing them off to a trusted friend would be your best option.

[big al]

If it's just a few handguns, wrap it with something or ziplock it then put in the ref or oven.