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  • #16
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    • Oct 2005
    • 44691

    Originally posted by CheapBloke
    We sure have a few that probably asks to go to the bathroom in their own home.
    Or, who think a year in County Jail would be a significant interruption in their lives.

    Choose whatever risk you care to assume for yourself. Don't be surprised when others make different choices than you would.
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    • #17
      FX-05 Xiuhcoatl
      Veteran Member
      • Jun 2011
      • 3162

      Arrow at month, 2 numbers @ arrow year.
      Could be wrong but most are saying this.

      April 2019



      What if the original 10/30 had a rivet that went threw the date of the magazine and converted it to a standard magazine during freedom week?
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      • #18
        CheapBloke
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        • Feb 2019
        • 3121

        Originally posted by FX-05 Xiuhcoatl
        Arrow at month, 2 numbers @ arrow year.
        Could be wrong but most are saying this.

        April 2019



        What if the original 10/30 had a rivet that went threw the date of the magazine and converted it to a standard magazine during freedom week?
        Isn't the date code too far up on the mag where if it was riveted at that location, it wouldn't be a 10/30?

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        • #19
          MrTokarev
          Veteran Member
          • Jul 2012
          • 2950

          Originally posted by RickD427
          Here's the law that prohibits removing them. Quoted from Penal Code section 537e:

          "Any person who knowingly buys, sells, receives, disposes of, conceals, or has in his or her possession any personal property from which the manufacturer’s serial number, identification number, electronic serial number, or any other distinguishing number or identification mark has been removed, defaced, covered, altered, or destroyed, is guilty of a public offense, punishable as follows..."

          Please note that the date code is a "Distinguishing Marking" that identifies the date of manufacture.
          I don’t buy it. Distinguishing marking seems to indicate something specific to that item. Every magazine in a lot will have the same stamp. There’s nothing to distinguish one mag from another within the same lot. The expanded law also seems to cover specific classes of products. I doubt a plastic magazine, hard hat, or porta potty are covered (all things I’ve seen these stamps on).

          (b) For purposes of this subdivision, “personal property” includes, but is not limited to, the following:

          (1) Any television, radio, recorder, phonograph, telephone, piano, or any other musical instrument or sound equipment.
          (2) Any washing machine, sewing machine, vacuum cleaner, or other household appliance or furnishings.
          (3) Any typewriter, adding machine, dictaphone, or any other office equipment or furnishings.
          (4) Any computer, printed circuit, integrated chip or panel, or other part of a computer.
          (5) Any tool or similar device, including any technical or scientific equipment.
          (6) Any bicycle, exercise equipment, or any other entertainment or recreational equipment.
          (7) Any electrical or mechanical equipment, contrivance, material, or piece of apparatus or equipment.
          (8) Any clock, watch, watch case, or watch movement.
          (9) Any vehicle or vessel, or any component part thereof.
          Last edited by MrTokarev; 04-04-2022, 10:29 PM.
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          • #20
            RickD427
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            • Jan 2007
            • 9277

            You don't gotta "Buy It."

            The statute says what it says.

            There no requirement that the "Distinguishing Mark" distinguish the item from other similar items. It need only distinguish the item in some manner. In this case it distinguishes the item by its date of manufacture.

            As to the list of exemplar items, you failed to note the language "included, but not limited to." In order to win the argument, you would have to show that a magazine is not an item of "Personal Property."
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            • #21
              ir0nclash86
              Veteran Member
              • May 2010
              • 3610

              It sounds like even if you disassemble your 30rd magazine to clean it, once you assemble it back you're now considered manufacturing? So you can't even do that?

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              • #22
                Quiet
                retired Goon
                • Mar 2007
                • 30242

                Originally posted by Hairybutter
                Hey guys, I tried to search my question, but can't find any info.

                My 30 round pmag have a crack on the magzine body. Can I use a blocked 10 round magazine body repair my 30 round?
                It is CA legal to take it to a gunsmith for repair and then have it returned to you. [PC 32425]

                Originally posted by ir0nclash86
                It sounds like even if you disassemble your 30rd magazine to clean it, once you assemble it back you're now considered manufacturing? So you can't even do that?
                The CA legislative intent was to have all repair and maintenance on large capacity magazines be done through a gunsmith.



                Penal Code 32425
                Section 32310 does not apply to any of the following:
                (a) The lending or giving of any large-capacity magazine to a person licensed pursuant to Sections 26700 to 26915, inclusive, or to a gunsmith, for the purposes of maintenance, repair, or modification of that large-capacity magazine.
                (b) The possession of any large-capacity magazine by a person specified in subdivision (a) for the purposes specified in subdivision (a).
                (c) The return to its owner of any large-capacity magazine by a person specified in subdivision (a).

                Penal Code 16630
                As used in this part, “gunsmith” means any person who is licensed as a dealer pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, who is engaged primarily in the business of repairing firearms, or making or fitting special barrels, stocks, or trigger mechanisms to firearms, or the agent or employee of that person.
                Last edited by Quiet; 04-05-2022, 7:57 AM.
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