CA DROS Delay

[foothillman]

SO update on my delay. This purchase was a PPT for the record. Original pick up date was 5/31. Approval and release finally given 6/9.

I received a letter in the mail from the DOJ on 6/11 (letter dated 5/27( saying "delayed because the department has identified state and/or federal records matching you identifying info or a stolen firearm record"

I researched this and no such record exists. I have no criminal record, Possess a CCW and tax stamp for an SBR and a USMC Veteran.

Something fishy here....

all get this

[ar15barrels]

SO update on my delay. This purchase was a PPT for the record. Original pick up date was 5/31. Approval and release finally given 6/9.

I received a letter in the mail from the DOJ on 6/11 (letter dated 5/27( saying "delayed because the department has identified state and/or federal records matching you identifying info or a stolen firearm record"

I researched this and no such record exists. I have no criminal record, Possess a CCW and tax stamp for an SBR and a USMC Veteran.

Something fishy here....

The record is for SOMEONE ELSE with your name.
They had to figure out that the person with the record was not YOU and then it got released.

[twowheelz805]

SO update on my delay. This purchase was a PPT for the record. Original pick up date was 5/31. Approval and release finally given 6/9.

I received a letter in the mail from the DOJ on 6/11 (letter dated 5/27( saying "delayed because the department has identified state and/or federal records matching you identifying info or a stolen firearm record"

I researched this and no such record exists. I have no criminal record, Possess a CCW and tax stamp for an SBR and a USMC Veteran.

Something fishy here....

[Solanaco]

Thank you Randall for the information.

[kcstott]

Well FYI Poway Weapons and gear will release on Undetermined.
So if my current delay goes undetermined I'm going to have the shop ship my pistol to someone that will release it.

[ar15barrels]

If you are DROS delayed, how does that impact your ability to buy 1 new gun in 30 days?
Does your original DROS date serve as the Sale Date, and you can buy another firearm 30+ days later, or does everything wait until you take delivery of the first one?

You can do a handgun or semi-auto DROS every 30 days.
Nothing is dependent on pickup date.
If you do a 2nd DROS on something that got delayed after the 30 days, that eats up your DROS for another 30 days.
If you do a 2nd DROS BEFORE the 30 days lapses from the first DROS, the previous DROS will cause the next DROS to get rejected because you are trying to do 2 DROS within 30 days so you will have to wait 30 days from the rejected DROS before you can do a 3rd DROS to pickup the first item.
The system has no way to know that you are doing the 2nd DROS on the same item so it has no exemption code for that.
If the FFL releases on undetermined, your 30 day count is back to the previous DROS before the 30 days ran out.

[smokycuh]

If you are DROS delayed, how does that impact your ability to buy 1 new gun in 30 days? Does your original DROS date serve as the Sale Date, and you can buy another firearm 30+ days later, or does everything wait until you take delivery of the first one?

According to the FFLs i spoke to the you can start another dros 30 days after submission of the dros regardless of delay. But i just played it safe and waited for it to go undetermined first before taking any action.


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[smokycuh]

I've been following this thread and so glad to hear the (good) news of approval, rather than another delay. I'm also glad to hear the OP isn't going to use the subject FFL any longer.

Wow; just wow.

(For even the 10-day waiting period, I'm so glad I don't need to deal with CA's system any longer, now being in NV.)

Meanwhile, I hope Calguns or CRPA takes the issue up with CA-DOJ-OAG (whomever). Whether it's DOJ or the FFL on this issue is beyond my understanding as it would have all gone away or not existed if the FFL merely released on undetermined status.

I agree someone needs to be held accountable for this Bs!


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[Solanaco]

If you are DROS delayed, how does that impact your ability to buy 1 new gun in 30 days? Does your original DROS date serve as the Sale Date, and you can buy another firearm 30+ days later, or does everything wait until you take delivery of the first one?

[L-2]

I've been following this thread and so glad to hear the (good) news of approval, rather than another delay. I'm also glad to hear the OP isn't going to use the subject FFL any longer.

Wow; just wow.

(For even the 10-day waiting period, I'm so glad I don't need to deal with CA's system any longer, now being in NV.)

Meanwhile, I hope Calguns or CRPA takes the issue up with CA-DOJ-OAG (whomever). Whether it's DOJ or the FFL on this issue is beyond my understanding as it would have all gone away or not existed if the FFL merely released on undetermined status.

[smokycuh]

Update : after 61 days in jail (2 dros delays)
Glock 17 and stag receiver are finally home!
Literally a miracle in my book i gave up already


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[smokycuh]

At this point i just assume every single dros will be delayed

Always on day 7 like gun control clockwork

If you expect the worse you will never be disappointed hahaha


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[Deelayed]

Instead of merging them, you may need a separate forum for them. Merging them may seem to imply it's a singular inquiry/single incident.

I say kill the COVID forum; start a "Delay / Undetermined" forum for real exhibition in scope of the problem. Putting all the threads in one area would really show the growing impact and frequency.

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[Deelayed]

Got The Call Smoky!!!

"APPROVED"
with 5mn left to spare from the 30 day BS.

(Stage Stop Gun Shop & Indoor Range (209) 358-4867
Release ''UNDETERMINED'' if you have a Valid CA. CCW.)

But that is not what is going on here.

I greatly appreciate your taking the time to join this conversation, but really look over what is actually being conveyed here, and in more than a dozen areas peppered throughout Calguns, sharing even more anecdotes by dozens of separate others within each.

If you read any part of this thread, or any of the dozens of sudden reports by people without any background issues, and as also being advised by dealers, that the surge in undetermined and delays has jumped 10-fold or more in numbers, you'll see it's not the same scenario as you are suggesting seen from your association with client matters.

The increased frequency arising over delays and 'undetermined' status on various existing gun owners' DROS processes, where in many cases they have an active DROS that is NOT delayed or 'undetermined' from another FFL at the same time, is way out of limits of likelihood to these people being the example you are citing.

The sudden increase in delays and 'undetermined' are skyrocketing and the DOJ is candidly stating it's due to their system inefficiency, shortage of staff, new guidelines, and other dismissive fodder - a gamut of issues, not directly the cause or trait of the buyer, that should never be any reason to delay someone's right or be ambiguous about that right (i.e., this nonsensical 'undetermined' label).

I understand your point on delays where someone needs legal help because THEY are the issue, but that is WHY you're only hearing from THOSE people!

You're not hearing about these unfounded and unwarranted delays and 'undetermined' infringements because the people to whom this is happening do not have any prohibiting or legal trapping for an attorney to address or need for the same. There is nothing about them to work on.

And THAT is why a 2nd Amendment rights organization needs to look into this.

These are cut-and-dry civil rights violations by the DOJ solely because the amount of work, or the time they self-prescribed to an issue that didn't need obstruction in the first place, is inconveniencing them. So they log a delay, an undetermined - "Sorry, we just can't fit you and your miserable 2nd Amendment rights in right now."

As a member of the NRA since 1978 without fail, and a member of the CRPA since coming to CA in 1990, it's absolutely crucial this issue not go ignored and discounted, or misinterpreted as something else, the cause for delays being business as usual because of the buyers.

Much more is at work here - or should I say, NOT at work?

The problem-cases you have only heard about as clients that come to you to fix their personal issue is a separate track entirely.

In the 20+ years of Calguns, there has never been this recent level of delays/undetermined DOJ games being reported from buyers that have recently DROSed numerous guns in the past several months without such asinine infringement being donned on them.

Something is amiss, maybe even intentional.

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And that goes for me too . I'm with him ^^^^^^^

[Deelayed]

Just search 'All Threads' for the words "undetermined" or "delay".

Hope your hard-drive doesn't melt in the process.

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If it walks like a sneaky underhanded ploy and talks like a sneaky under handed ploy ....