CA DROS Delay

[golfish]

Well, Day 22 and not one word from my FFL getting close to day 30.

From what I have read you really have nothing you can do but wait. I think I'd be a little PO-ed.

Good luck,

[LMan57]

Well, Day 22 and not one word from my FFL getting close to day 30.

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The list. Sort of like a GMC for FFLs except with some clear criteria right? And who is going to make sure that some FFL that is or isn't a turd has their status changed on said list? Would that be everybody who thinks somebody should do it but nobody really does?

For people who disdain being on lists, look, a new idea, create a list. For good measure, unbeknownst to those either getting on the list or not getting added, anons get to decide who and who does not by virtue of a phone call and not hearsay.

And when now designated turd FFL modifies their policy and becomes a non-turd just who is responsible for insuring the reformed turd gets either put onto or taken off the list as appropriate?

And while we're at it, can we start a list of all the clowns who manage to get at the front of a line and not having the proper ID or docs to proceed with their purchase after having spent quite some time looking over a gun or peeking at boxes of ammo trying to figure out if they want, then start arguing about it as if the min wage counter person made the laws? Or may include the clowns who obviously started a DROS, return to pick up and then not have their ID but demand their wife standing next to them can vouche for their identify and besides, doesn't the counter person remember them? It was only 10 days ago WTF?




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Always have the necessary paperwork , blood sample , hair follicle , birth certificate and the finger print of the doctor that delivered you, if you happened to be a test tube baby then please bring in the tending physician that was present when you hatched . It's not a lot to ask . Messes it up for those of us that are prepared . As for ammo goes just bring your first born child and the deed to your house and / or a virgin relative and you will be fine

[SharedShots]

The list. Sort of like a GMC for FFLs except with some clear criteria right? And who is going to make sure that some FFL that is or isn't a turd has their status changed on said list? Would that be everybody who thinks somebody should do it but nobody really does?

For people who disdain being on lists, look, a new idea, create a list. For good measure, unbeknownst to those either getting on the list or not getting added, anons get to decide who and who does not by virtue of a phone call and not hearsay.

And when now designated turd FFL modifies their policy and becomes a non-turd just who is responsible for insuring the reformed turd gets either put onto or taken off the list as appropriate?

And while we're at it, can we start a list of all the clowns who manage to get at the front of a line and not having the proper ID or docs to proceed with their purchase after having spent quite some time looking over a gun or peeking at boxes of ammo trying to figure out if they want, then start arguing about it as if the min wage counter person made the laws? Or may include the clowns who obviously started a DROS, return to pick up and then not have their ID but demand their wife standing next to them can vouche for their identify and besides, doesn't the counter person remember them? It was only 10 days ago WTF?




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[pacrat]

THIS SHOP RELEASES IF YOU HAVE A CCW

Stage Stop Gun Shop & Indoor Range
601 Atwater Blvd, Atwater, CA 95301
(209) 358-4867

Then they DO NOT QUALIFY for being ON the "NOT A TURD LIST"


Ca PC=28220 [4] which created the undetermined status. To force release by the DOJ at 30 day maximum delay. DID NOT bestow ANY discriminatory discretion on FFLs.

It applies to ALL NON PROHIBITED PERSONS. NOT JUST, the favored few who some Bureaucrat with a badge says can CCW.

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THIS SHOP RELEASES IF YOU HAVE A CCW

Stage Stop Gun Shop & Indoor Range
601 Atwater Blvd, Atwater, CA 95301
(209) 358-4867

Discrimination
Maybe even a little bit racist .
And on the right day might even be a little bit. Anti - Philanthropist

[squirrelnuts]

THIS SHOP RELEASES IF YOU HAVE A CCW

Stage Stop Gun Shop & Indoor Range
601 Atwater Blvd, Atwater, CA 95301
(209) 358-4867

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Well, today is day 15 and no word from my FFL I guess I will hear something in a couple of weeks maybe sooner

Just remind your ffl on day 30 and wait until calls to get the release number or it comes in the mail.. hopefully your ffl takes the initiative and calls to get the number instead of waiting for dept of j___a______ . See how I did that ... ? I learned that in my covert keyboard warrior master class .

[pacrat]

Because such a thread is not beneficial to the forum advertiser FFLs who will be included on the list.

A thread that WOULD potentially survive the moderators would be a list of FFL's that DO release on undetermined.
Then people could just go to those FFL's and they could make an assumption that the ones NOT listed on the thread may or may not release on undetermined since those "unknown" FFL's have not been added to the list.

wouldn't that be the same thing as making a list of FFL's who don't release on "Undetermined".

it is just a roundabout way of saying it since any FFL not on the list, i wouldn't visit as I would automatically already assume they won't.

NOT AT ALL.

Not naming an FFL is a bigly difference to naming them specifically.

One can assume, or conject, that someone not on the "Not a Turd" list, is a turd.

Yet if per chance, someone simply hasn't YET, added them to the "Not a Turd" list.

But a simple phone call resolves that. Just call and ask "ARE YOU A TURD"?

[Scratch705]

wouldn't that be the same thing as making a list of FFL's who don't release on "Undetermined".

it is just a roundabout way of saying it since any FFL not on the list, i wouldn't visit as I would automatically already assume they won't.

[ar15barrels]

Why would they delete something that helpful to the community and first time buyers?

Because such a thread is not beneficial to the forum advertiser FFLs who will be included on the list.

A thread that WOULD potentially survive the moderators would be a list of FFL's that DO release on undetermined.
Then people could just go to those FFL's and they could make an assumption that the ones NOT listed on the thread may or may not release on undetermined since those "unknown" FFL's have not been added to the list.

[Blownmotor]

I created one but mods deleted it unfortunately


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Why would they delete something that helpful to the community and first time buyers? That's just retarded.

[LMan57]

I created one but mods deleted it unfortunately


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Thanks I won't waste my time.

[smokycuh]

We need to compile a list of FFLs that don't release on undetermined it would be useful to all members.

I created one but mods deleted it unfortunately


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[pacrat]

No lie, it's been bad. My May 8 Ruger Wrangler wouldn't be released until the AmmoBros got a letter from the DOJ. They contacted me on June 29 that they received a letter with some approval number and then I got the pickup. Ammo Bros has always been good on PPT these were the only two times I had issues.

^^^^ They lied to you. ^^^^

Another reason I call them "AMMO LIARS".

When they receive the "UNDETERMINED STATUS" notification, in their DES computer system, that is hooked direct into DOJ. Which actually takes a couple of days past the 30 day mandatory wait.

All they had to do is pick up the Friggen phone. And call DOJ and request the NICS number.

There is NO EARTHLY reason for them to have to wait to get the Freak'n SNAIL MAIL letter that DOJ sends. That often times takes a month or more.

REFER to posts #199 and 202 of this thread. By member "taperxz". He is a FFL in Ca. And he does release on undetermined.

This is wrong. DOJ does send a letter of undetermined that includes a NICS number in order to release the gun to the undetermined dros. That NICS number is in fact ANOTHER background check. The problem is that DOJ sends those letters out so late that it does no good and past 30 days.

The dealer can issue upon undetermined if they want but also must call into DOJ to get that NICS number instead of waiting for a letter that doesn't show up for 3-4 weeks.

To back track, The CA DROS number is only good for 30 days. That DROS goes undetermined and in order to release that gun, needs another background check and they use NICS. If you get the number via phone right away, you can deliver the gun but it absolutely must have a NICS number to put it on the 4473 or it was an illegal transfer federally.

So, It actually is a release. They just don't us that verbiage. The NICS number that comes with the letter is the approval to release the gun. When CA law says the dealer may deliver, it CAN'T DELIVER without the APPROVED background check from NICS.

I deliver on undetermined not because i im using my descretion but because i have an APPROVAL from the Federal Government to do so. No dealer gets to decide or not whats right or wrong when it comes to background checks.

The state couldn't figure things out to their satisfaction and after 30 days have simply left it up to the Feds and that background check. THATS RIGHT! There were TWO background checks after purchase and prior to release. One undetermined and the second was an actual APPROVAL.

If the state doesn't give me a NICS number back, that is a NICS denial.