Gun under pillow a death sentence

[ja308]

Thanx for the good advice . Keeping out bad guys is something I hadn't given much thought to.
Since you 1st posted I have added another security measure to gain some time, with the least secure portion of my home .
Considering I have broken no laws, have no criminal associations I will assume my door being breached is a Manson type gang or Night stalker type.

Hopefully as others have noted, if the worst ever happens I pray I will not hesitate eliminate the threat.

In the Briana Taylor case where the BF fired 1 round and got her killed , I wonder if It would ended differently if he unloaded an entire mag?

[ja308]

Why is it that our SF teams do call outs for ISIS leaders, but our SWAT teams go in with no-knocks? State & Local hit squads have got to go.

Add Fed teams too ! They have had their share of bad actions and bad actors.

[RandyD]

This situation exists because police convince our elected legislative representatives, that they need this procedure, for public safety.

[splithoof]

Jeff Cooper had a big steel gate at the end of the hallway leading to his bedroom. He could lock or unlock it from his end of the hallway. He figured that by the time it was breached, the noise would wake him up and intruders would be in for a surprise when they opened his bedroom door.

[IVC]

Are you aware that for all intents and purposes. All criminal Search and Arrest warrants, issued in Ca are "per se" No Knock warrants?

It's not quite like that. There is a difference between "arrest" and "search." Arrest is for a person, no matter where, and search is for the location, no matter who is there.

Back to the OP, the state simply shouldn't be allowed to break into your home like a group of burglars in the middle of the night, no matter what benefit they claim. Even if they get the right guy, they are the ones who are instigating a very dangerous situation since the person is fully entitled to protect against an intrusion and an attack.

The reason these no-knock warrants are *supposed* to work is because regular people are not *supposed* to be armed or to fight back, they are *supposed* to submit and survive (or not) based on the mercy of the crew breaking the door down. And if the crew turns out not to be the police, the good people are supposed to give them a frown and a finger wag, give them what they want and go on with their lives. If they live, that is. That's the anti-gun way pushed by the blue states and that's yet another reason why they don't want regular people armed - so that the state has a monopoly on use (and abuse) of force.

[ja308]

It's not quite like that. There is a difference between "arrest" and "search." Arrest is for a person, no matter where, and search is for the location, no matter who is there.

Back to the OP, the state simply shouldn't be allowed to break into your home like a group of burglars in the middle of the night, no matter what benefit they claim. Even if they get the right guy, they are the ones who are instigating a very dangerous situation since the person is fully entitled to protect against an intrusion and an attack.

The reason these no-knock warrants are *supposed* to work is because regular people are not *supposed* to be armed or to fight back, they are *supposed* to submit and survive (or not) based on the mercy of the crew breaking the door down. And if the crew turns out not to be the police, the good people are supposed to give them a frown and a finger wag, give them what they want and go on with their lives. If they live, that is. That's the anti-gun way pushed by the blue states and that's yet another reason why they don't want regular people armed - so that the state has a monopoly on use (and abuse) of force.

Once again perfectly stated a worth a 2nd, 3rd and maybe 4th reading.
Years backI was arguing with a representative of government and he refused to see my point .
I ended the discussion by saying ,"Well yeah, OK you guys got the guns " He came all unglued and said thats not it ,thats so wrong, etc ,etc .
Your on point post ,reminded me of that experience.

[Surf & Turf]

It should be universally accepted that any forcible entry into one's abode unannounced / uninvited should be expected to be met with irrefutable and sustained firepower as afforded by the US constitution.

[stormvet]

What kind of idiot would be too dumb to realize that if your door is breached by a machete wielding crew.

"You have 2 seconds to retrieve your gun and fire...
One thousand one, one thousand two, Your dead " Gabriel Suarez , The Tactical Advantage

What does any of that have to do with blowing your brains out in your sleep. I get having a gun near by when you sleep, but to actually have one under your pillow is no bueno.

[ja308]

What does any of that have to do with blowing your brains out in your sleep. I get having a gun near by when you sleep, but to actually have one under your pillow is no bueno.

Why would I remove the safety and pull the trigger while sleeping ?

[lastinline]

What does any of that have to do with blowing your brains out in your sleep. I get having a gun near by when you sleep, but to actually have one under your pillow is no bueno.

[lmcc0072]

As has been said before, the citizens need to better protect, and harden their structures against the intrusions of uninvited guests, both publicly sponsored, and criminal alike. Had there been a delay of entry due to physical barriers, the person inside may have had time to be more fully awake and deal with the situation. This is a lesson that all gun owners need to heed.

Not only do I lock and secure exterior doors, my bedroom door is also locked at night (including a deadbolt). I want as much time as I can get if there is an intruder. I also sleep next to 2 guns.....just in case one happens to jam at an inopportune time.

[pacrat]

Originally Posted by pacrat View Post
Are you aware that for all intents and purposes. All criminal Search and Arrest warrants, issued in Ca are "per se" No Knock warrants?

IVC said;
It's not quite like that. There is a difference between "arrest" and "search." Arrest is for a person, no matter where, and search is for the location, no matter who is there.

^^^A commonly held misconception^^^ and one of the reasons I posted.
An ARREST warrant, usually ONLY lacks an attached address, or addresses, to ALSO be served, if LE have no known address for the subject.

Search/Arrest warrants, are synonymous, in the Penal Code.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=1523

1523.
A search warrant is an order in writing, in the name of the people, signed by a magistrate, directed to a peace officer, commanding him or her to search for a person or persons, a thing or things, or personal property, and, in the case of a thing or things or personal property, bring the same before the magistrate.

(Amended by Stats. 1996, Ch. 1078, Sec. 1.5. Effective January 1, 1997.)

1525. A search warrant cannot be issued but upon probable cause, supported by affidavit, naming or describing the person to be searched or searched for, and particularly describing the property, thing, or things and the place to be searched.

1528. (a) If the magistrate is thereupon satisfied of the existence of the grounds of the application, or that there is probable cause to believe their existence, he or she must issue a search warrant, signed by him or her with his or her name of office, to a peace officer in his or her county, commanding him or her forthwith to search the person or place named for the property or things or person or persons specified, and to retain the property or things in his or her custody subject to order of the court as provided by Section 1536.

1529. The warrant shall be in substantially the following form:
County of ____.
The people of the State of California to any peace officer in the County of ____:
Proof, by affidavit, having been this day made before me by (naming every person whose affidavit has been taken), that (stating the grounds of the application, according to Section 1524, or, if the affidavit be not positive, that there is probable cause for believing that ____ stating the ground of the application in the same manner), you are therefore commanded, in the daytime (or at any time of the day or night, as the case may be, according to Section 1533), to make search on the person of C. D. (or in the house situated ____, describing it, or any other place to be searched, with reasonable particularity, as the case may be) for the following property, thing, things, or person: (describing the property, thing, things, or person with reasonable particularity); and, in the case of a thing or things or personal property, if you find the same or any part thereof, to bring the thing or things or personal property forthwith before me (or this court) at (stating the place).
Given under my hand, and dated this ____ day of ____, A.D. (year).
E. F., Judge of the (applicable) Court.
(Amended by Stats. 2005, Ch. 181, Sec. 1. Effective January 1, 2006.)

THIS statute is commonly referred to as the Knock and Announce requirement. As is pc 844, just worded differently.

1531. The officer may break open any outer or inner door or window of a house, or any part of a house, or anything therein, to execute the warrant, if, after notice of his authority and purpose, he is refused admittance.

844.To make an arrest, a private person, if the offense is a felony, and in all cases a peace officer, may break open the door or window of the house in which the person to be arrested is, or in which they have reasonable grounds for believing the person to be, after having demanded admittance and explained the purpose for which admittance is desired.

Again, false claims easily refuted.

Ramey warrants aren't search warrants. They are arrest warrants for a specific individual.

^^^PROVEN FALSE^^^ See pc quotes above.

But you probably don't know the difference since you didn't mention that important fact...

^^^PROVEN FALSE on LE FORUM, and NOW AGAIN^^^ Links were provided. Poster's failure to read them, can't somehow be construed as a failure of my understanding of facts.

Arrest warrants aren't for, and don't list a specific location. They are for a specific individual. Arrest warrants don't allow entry into any location.

^^^PROVEN FALSE^^^ See pc quotes above.

In my 29 years as a LEO I never saw ANY arrest warrants with any so called"no knock "provisions".

I bet all LEO'S here will say the same.

AS TO THE UNDERLINED; A single persons lack of knowledge, that something exists. CANNOT be construed as proof, that the something doesn't exist.

[ja308]

Some more video, commentary and comments from Minnesota headquartered Powerlin

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/02/the-lonesome-death-of-amir-locke.php

[pacrat]

Some more video, commentary and comments from Minnesota headquartered Powerlin
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archiv...amir-locke.php

Fairly stated IMO,

Sorry no link at this time. Yet earlier today it was ascertained that MPD had credible info that Locke's cousin was wanted for connection to a homicide.

Last name, "Speed" don't remember 1st name.

Building super told MPD that Speed didn't live in the building, But was often present in 3 different appts. He is believed how MPD got keys.

MPD hit all 3 apts. Only one raid went sideways. Causing Locke's death.

Speed was arrested at a different location across town today.

And is reportedly known that Speed wasn't even in the building. When the raids occurred. [I have no confirmation of that]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/teen-arrested-connection-search-warrant-led-amir-lockes/story?id=82745199

Speed was arrested in St Paul. The suspect, Locke's 17-year-old cousin, was arrested Monday afternoon in Winona, Minnesota, the St. Paul Police Department said Tuesday.

In the SLOMO vid and frame by frame. It appears as if Locke's pistol was on an ottoman beside couch along with his cell phone. When the entry occurred. Not already in his hand.

[lastinline]

Not only do I lock and secure exterior doors, my bedroom door is also locked at night (including a deadbolt). I want as much time as I can get if there is an intruder. I also sleep next to 2 guns.....just in case one happens to jam at an inopportune time.