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[Fate]

Shangri-La excuse me a minute I think.my eyes are leaking . The thought of having missed such wonderments is touching my emotional side .. ..

Move to Free America. It's still that way here.

[Term]

Tell me more about these freedoms of yesteryear . It must have been a grand time . All that buying and selling to and fro . Walking talking foot loose and fancy free.....

When I was a kid you could walk into a sears or Montgomery Ward etc. and walk out with a new rifle same day.No registration or background check.

And guess what? no mass shootings, none! Imagine that.

[ar15barrels]

Is there any difference in process or do they l take the same amount of time and require the same documents .
The form seems to be the same for all situations

The process is the same but the rules are different.
That's why there are 2 different forms.

[BigPimping]

Ah the good old days of the past. Someday we may look back at today and consider that the good old days. The way things are going now.

[bergmen]

Seems like a long time ago a in a land far, far away...

I turned 21 in the late 1970s.
In California then there was a fifteen day wait back when buying a new gun from a dealer because all the paperwork went through the mail.
Used guns were cheaper and all we looked for was shooters back then because we wanted to try everything.
Rifles, shotguns and handguns were bought, sold, loaned and traded all the time...no paperwork, no delays, just cash and someone to vouch for you if you weren't in the immediate circle of friends...no stolen guns wanted.
Sometimes when buying through a newspaper ad the seller wanted your driver's license info but that was about it.

It was even better than that prior to 1968 (I graduated from high school in 1967). Mail order ads in magazines, shipped any firearm to your door. Many surplus guns (M1 Carbine, 1903 Springfields, M1 Garand, etc.) at bargain basement prices.

I don't remember if there was an age limit but I do remember visiting our local hardware store and looking at single shot bolt action .22 rifles. I remember these as being less than $20 each (and they were pretty poor quality).

Dan

[Sal0327]

Great info here

[bergmen]

When I was a kid you could walk into a sears or Montgomery Ward etc. and walk out with a new rifle same day.No registration or background check.

And guess what? no mass shootings, none! Imagine that.

No different than buying an appliance for the kitchen or tools for the garage. Gun ownership was very common, I can't think of anyone I knew while growing up that didn't have a rifle or shotgun in the closet (or both).

Dan

[Deelayed]

The process is the same but the rules are different.
That's why there are 2 different forms.

Oh at quick glance they appeared to be the same . Thank you for posting the links by the way .

[Deelayed]

It was even better than that prior to 1968 (I graduated from high school in 1967). Mail order ads in magazines, shipped any firearm to your door. Many surplus guns (M1 Carbine, 1903 Springfields, M1 Garand, etc.) at bargain basement prices.

I don't remember if there was an age limit but I do remember visiting our local hardware store and looking at single shot bolt action .22 rifles. I remember these as being less than $20 each (and they were pretty poor quality).

Dan

Surely you jest , what kind of society allows individuals to use free will and common sense on the basis of responsibility and decent moral compass . So much in fact that it would not step in the way and light some fire engulfed hoops so to hinder those pesky rights that some feel so entitled to . I can see now why freedom must be quelled . .could you imagine a country full of citizenry that who's general moral compass emphasizes the importance of individual responsibility and personal liberty ? The thought of it makes my cafe' mocha coco chai frappe latte with whipped soy cream (light) curdle and sour . I'm so glad that there are laws now that prevent those decent people from just waltzing down to the local gun shop and paying for an item and just .... Walking out . ... With what they just bought. . Now ... If we could just figure out a place to put violent criminals who use firearms for crime . But first ithink we have to figure out why these criminals won't just go to the gun shop and go through the process to be denied a firearm . I mean the form is easy to fill out . Maybe if we lower the fee ? That might encourage the criminal element to go through the many steps to legally be denied ownership . Such a complicated bunch those criminals .

[Dan_Eastvale]

I have several pistols transferred face to face 30 years ago. No paperwork done; just hand over cash and take the pistol. That was normal then.

I sold one of my .380s like that last Sunday in a parking lot here

[pacrat]

It was even better than that prior to 1968 (I graduated from high school in 1967). Mail order ads in magazines, shipped any firearm to your door. Many surplus guns (M1 Carbine, 1903 Springfields, M1 Garand, etc.) at bargain basement prices.

I don't remember if there was an age limit but I do remember visiting our local hardware store and looking at single shot bolt action .22 rifles. I remember these as being less than $20 each (and they were pretty poor quality).

Dan

We Sir, are of an age. My very first firearm purchase was at a Swap Meet. I was 13 yrs old on a Sunday morning. Me and another Paper Boy, spent some time after our routes checking it out.

I bought a beat up Hopkins & Allen single shot 12ga with a ding in the barrel for $5. I could have popped the forearm, pulled the barrel and stuck it in my BAGS. But I was so proud of myself, I just rode home down the town's Main St with it across the Ape Hanger Handlebars of my Schwinn Paper Bike.

I made it about 2 blks when the local Deputy pulled up and called me by name, through his car window. He said "Hey "****" is that cannon loaded"? I said "NO Sir, BOB", because that was his name. We kids all called him "Bob the Burner". Which he considered his Un-Official Title. He then said something to the affect of "Be sure you're off the street before you start shooting". Then laughed and drove away.

That WAS the Southern Ca, that I grew up in.

I truly hate what it has become.

[edgerly779]

He could volreg it pay 19bucks and done. Does not have to prove anything.

[bergmen]

We Sir, are of an age. My very first firearm purchase was at a Swap Meet. I was 13 yrs old on a Sunday morning. Me and another Paper Boy, spent some time after our routes checking it out.

I bought a beat up Hopkins & Allen single shot 12ga with a ding in the barrel for $5. I could have popped the forearm, pulled the barrel and stuck it in my BAGS. But I was so proud of myself, I just rode home down the town's Main St with it across the Ape Hanger Handlebars of my Schwinn Paper Bike.

I made it about 2 blks when the local Deputy pulled up and called me by name, through his car window. He said "Hey "****" is that cannon loaded"? I said "NO Sir, BOB", because that was his name. We kids all called him "Bob the Burner". Which he considered his Un-Official Title. He then said something to the affect of "Be sure you're off the street before you start shooting". Then laughed and drove away.

That WAS the Southern Ca, that I grew up in.

I truly hate what it has become.

We moved back from Japan in 1962 and settled in the west end of Santa Clara Valley, a small berg called Monte Vista outside of Cupertino. For Christmas that year, my Dad bought me (8th grade) and my brother (6th grade) Marlin bolt action repeater .22 rifles. After some initiation, we were allowed to take these out on our own.

We would walk right down our residential street (Mira Vista) with our rifles slung to our shoulders to go plinking in the foothills west of our place. Did that for years without issue. Other kids in our neighborhood, same.

My kids and grand kids are out in the rural central valley so they will be raised not much different than my brother and I were. They are all hunters and gun enthusiasts (grand kids are too young yet but I will be teaching my oldest at 8 years old how to shoot for the first time).

Dan

[Garv]

I traded a bike for a Marlin .22 rifle late 60's when I was 13.

I rode my other bicycle ~4 miles or so with the rifle in a bag over my shoulder to go to Centinela range many times.

No one ever batted a eye.

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